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Transcript: The Witches' Symposium 05： Aphrodite Salon
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Hello beautiful people and welcome to the witch's Symposium I'm your Hostess Snappy and as always I'm joined by our good friends Ammon from ladybabylon and Neil from Gnostic informant as well as our co-hosts Gunk retch and Dion how's everyone doing today good good thanks for having me yeah so excited to have you guys here so we're going to be doing a deep dive into the mother goddess on today's episode on Aphrodite and to get things started off I wanted to read from a book Neil was just kind of waving it there it's called
The Syrian goddess by Lucan and Ammon actually was having me look at a passage here and this will kind of start us off so where was it here we are says to the left of the temple stands the image of semaramus pointing with her right hand to the temple that image was erected to commemorate the following occurrence the queen had issued a decree that all the Assyrians which worship her as a deity adding that they were to take no count of others not accepting even Hera and they obeyed her decree afterwards
However when disease and Misfortune and grief were inflicted on her she calmed down from her frenzied infatuation and avowed herself a mere mortal and ordered her subjects to turn again to Hera this is why she stands today in this posture pointing out Hera as the goddess whose Grace is to be won and confessing that she is not a goddess but that Hera is indeed such and so she's pointing actually to the uh this to Venus the Morning Star yeah
Yeah it's uh described by um well Lucian also describes it but diadoris talks about this exact same thing it says that it's just she's they have that image they have her actual statue pointing to the temple or where the star of Venus is and Hera the goddess you know it's all there it's it's like Babylon really is and you should know yeah it reads as lady Babylon but you should also know that she's the first right diador siculus
Um says she's the first to perpetuate the castration of the boys and the Art of the castration the transformation from masculine to feminine is the product of Lady Babylon yeah gorgeous yeah because in that same passage Lucian describes how uh the galoy these young boys would remove their testicles in this Festival to Hera and then would go to random woman's houses and throw them at the door and these women would have to come out and dress them in their clothes as like part of this ritual
Yeah and um she's credited for building Babylon and a lot of people will say wait a minute what about what about the ancient well that's actually Kush technically so Kish is rebuilt under the period of semoramus's Queen when she rebuilds Kish into Babylon and then puts the the hanging guard that's the Hanging Gardens don't show up until semaramus's period that's the Babylon that we all know and we all think is amazing that's that period so that's what she's the bill she gets credited for building Babylon and setting up these this wonder of the world and uh and then you have that you
Have the the gate vishtar right on the I think it's the North or South it's the Gate of this tire you read the story of Ishtar she descends into hell to save the mootsi these debauchic character you know he's Bacchus he's the vine he's the party guys dad he's in the Underworld she goes down to save him and raises them up but then she gets killed and then she's hung on a cross basically for three days and then who goes down to save her it's the galloy the eunuchs
That go down to Hell and bring her up and nobody says anything to their eunuchs are untouched they go down to Hell no one says [\\h__\\h] to them they don't have any problems they go down there they take Ishtar and they rise her up like no one ever talks about that why does anyone ever say how come the Galloway are more powerful than Ishtar is well there's oh what's it in the in the Syrian goddess there's all this stuff I'm trying to remember the guy's name
Cataman or katamon where they're talking about how he because he he removes his genitals he's able to get close to these women and he becomes like and they even talk about how the Galloway or beloved of Hera because Hera doesn't feel like she had she has to have sex with them or that they're gonna try to have sex with her they have a deeper love that's not sexual right different kind of power did you notice though having said that okay we're looking at the evidence and Lucian
Says there's a group of ecstatic women there's a group of ecstatic women who take on the goloy in the passion they take them into the passion um so are those galoy involved in sexual
Practices yes they are so I um when we lose those testicles uh we're apparently not damaging them enough people ask is this a folk is this a full um caught or a partial cut for because for Unix you can cut off both the testicles and the penis but thanks to the medical documents um we know that the second cutting off the penis with it a full castration was dangerous because you had to cauterize then you had to create basically an opening for the urine and that it was dangerous to do that because they uh
What we call infection would happen up sepsis to them would would it take place but cast ratings much much much much much easier and um with just the testicles so people have asked as a matter of fact I had a student just this morning asking is the um or was this a full castration or partial castration well if he says if Lucian says they were involved with each other in that sexual passion ah you know and he said well could they have been using the dildos that are
There by the way did anybody notice their dildos all over the place well he even talks about how one of the galloways sits on the giant phallus of Dionysus you know and has to sit in meditation for seven days upon this Palace and I'm just like okay that's not too on the nose foreign
It's one of also one of the important things we get out of Lucian is that whole idea of it's popular can roughly contemporary with Lucian not a little bit before of the Apocalypse and the fact of who this many named individual is You Know The Enemy if you're a follower of Jehovah or you're a follower of uh gangster G Jesus if you're a follower gee not the letter J right I understand there's no J in the original it's yasan if you're a follower of gangster G and um or Jehovah his dad Jehovah if you're
One of those we're we're talking about the original mystery when you've got your box set up and you've got the voice of God coming out from it right you set it up exactly like we're all doing in our mystery Bronze Age mystery religions if you can do that you can get that one
Individual that one Sybil that we're all looking for right the early Christians what are they all they're all sybilists right we're looking for that one civil it's all oracular don't lose sight of that and if you guys noticed in in the day of Syria there's a crazy oracular thing going on where
They've got somebody or something dancing around and being inhabited by the God and if you you can ask it all your good questions but if you if you ask him it's referred to as a male the wrong question um the deity will pull back yeah and this is where I want to get into some of the stuff that Dion has been researching because when I'm reading this day of Syria there's all these references to doves and Dove breeding they can't eat the doves and then there's this image of the dove
Bursting forth from both semaramus's head and then also from the goddess Hera or Aphrodite urania the main image in the temple has the same thing with the with the Dove and Lucian talks about how this is related to Dionysus and to Addis you know but so finding with all of this breeding of the doves for the creation of um of communal drugs right Dove milk yeah they had the columbardiums the dove coops out of Ashkelon there and I asked the AI and it took a couple a couple
Tries to get it to open up and it said yeah there's multiple techniques for breeding doves to collect what's called crop milk because male and female doves and partridges um we think you know how birds they feed their young and they regurgitate and digest well doves is do something a little different from the inside of their throat um they excrete a type of a milk you know when the AI said that humans use that as well because it's high in antioxidants in different chemicals so I
Asked it about the types of foods that you give it and uh doves do eat harm a lost Syrian Roux poppy seeds cannabis seeds and that high protein diet in the columbarium simulates the process to to get the dog milk they showed the process one thing that's so wild that I got to tell you Dion was when I'm reading Lucin Lucian talks about how the galley would go down to the ocean would collect all of this water they would seal it with a special type of wax then they would bring it
Back and they'd have the doves come and eat the wax drink some of the water and then they would go offer the water to the deity so there's even this whole ritualized feeding of the doves going on oh yeah you see doves show up in the Augustine period with all these new buildings that he's building because so diadors writes this history he writes this history he starts it off with semoramus at the beginning of everything she has a 42 year reign think about this she's the beginning of everything he says that she rebuilds
Ancient Babylon that was falling apart this ancient city of Kish is falling apart she rebuilds it puts up a brand new wall makes it the wonder of the world basically so then he gets he he writes about all the stuff that happens between her and then he ends up with Augustus and Augustus brings in this peace era the Pax Romana and the symbol of the dove shows up all over the place in the Mediterranean world all of a sudden all of her rights are are are basically the rights of the Roman Imperial cult and he's this is like the Romans are the
This is how Rome becomes new Babylon because Rome Rome takes on Babylon as like the center of the world now and this is the for anyone who can rule for 40 years is someone who's chosen by God semoramus and then basically it's like nobody can hold that long of a Reign until Augustus and not that top it off and we go to Revelation right they're talking about Babylon the horror Babylon and I just found this out the other day that there is an early Christian in the second century
Um he uh what's his name abarquis and on his Tombstone abraquias was living in phrygia he converted to Christianity but on his Tombstone this doesn't nothing about Jesus it's to the to the holy virgin he's like the holy virgin saved me the holy virgin saved me he said it says I went to Babylon and saw people wearing the mark and there was and he said I saw the he said I saw the queen in a gold I have it right here he said I saw the queen
And she was wearing he's talking about Rome she was wearing a golden sandals and golden and purple robes and I saw people with a shining Mark and then he says um and then then so I'm like where's Jesus and no Jesus in the inscription at all and it turns out he was a high priest of kaiboli before he turned a Christian so he was a castrated eunuch wow so it all just comes full back Circle again this is sending off so many things because Luke Lucian talking
About the The Cult of the mother goddess talks about how they all bear the mark and when he describes the mark he gives two things he says there's gold markings on the hand and gold markings on the neck and that they're related to the sacred fish and that the sacred fish also have these gold markings on them and they're large and bred to have these gold markings and that they would even come up when he calls them by name like last thing I want to say I don't want to hold I want to hug them like the mother
Of semoramus according to Lucian is directo directo is a mermaid goddess did you know that oh yeah directo is also a name right for isn't that um that's right yeah it's the same thing and you know why directo gives up samaramus is because Aphrodite curses her because Aphrodite can because no one can say that there's a woman more beautiful than Aphrodite and dersetto somehow ends up in that entanglement here and Aphrodite forces her to mate with the mortal she gets rid of the baby leaves it on the on right there at Ashkelon and that's when the farmer finds the baby
And the reason the farmer finds the baby because the doves are feeding it cheese yeah look at it
Go ahead go ahead for those of you who are listening you just heard that the mystery is a woman's before it was ever Jehovah's or before it was Jesus it was a woman's yes others maintain that semaramus of Babylon who has left many might Mighty Works in Asia founded this edifice nor did she dedicate to Hera but to her own mother who is directo all right that's weird I've seen the siblings of directo in phenicia and a wonderful sight it is one half of it is women
And the part which extends from the thighs and the feet is a fish's tail the Effigy which is at heropolis the holy city by the way is a complete woman the reasons for this are plain to understand they deem fishes holy while Birds they use of pigeons but I've seen them I thought I think the translation in Greek is actually dubbed there I think this is around I don't know what you guys think about that but anyways Dove pigeon for food and the dove is in their eyes
Sacred it appears to them that we have described what was honor of directo and semoramus the former because director has the form of a fish and because the lower half of Summer rabbits is taken into the form of a pigeon which I actually think this is that say dove in Greek yeah yeah you know what I haven't I haven't read that section in a long time but the pigeon and the dove are always confused yeah so yeah yeah let's just I'll go back and check it but let's
Assume the the giant Point that's coming out of the front of Lady Babylon though is you notice that you can't identify what what she is now we're looking at her as this the daughter of a god der keto right or atargates right same thing same thing
With a start right we're in the same place talking about she of many names and it's this she of many names who will bring the end according to the syphilis of The reigns that have IM that have made the uh stream impure one third time in the oracular cycle two-thirds Apollo one-third Bacchus is there for purification Bacchus is there for purification to bring back the mystery Queen to restore what has been removed right it's the pi it's the the mystery of anomia the mystery of Honor I mean it
Is it's gorgeous stuff I'll check the doves right now give me a second yeah yeah I can keep reading but I think people get the gist you know there was one thing that that brought brings me up that I wanted to read here from Emperor Julian when he's talking about the mother of the Gods because this kind of kind of brings us all together where we're going here it says who then is the mother of the Gods she is the source of the intellectual and creative Gods who
In their turn guide the visible Gods she is both the mother and the spouse of Mighty Zeus she came into being next to and together with the great Creator she is in control of every form of life and the cause of all generation she easily brings to Perfection all things that are made without pain she brings to birth and with the father's Aid creates all things that are she is the motherless Maiden enthroned at the side of Zeus and in very truth is the mother of all the gods for having received into herself
The cause of all the gods both intelligible and super mundane she became the source of all intellectual gods so what I think they're getting there is that we're getting to this idea of Raya and tahera and how this is a synonymous kind of figure and it even goes back all the way to to Gaia and I and when we're looking at this idea of the what I consider to be like the most important of the Greek myths is that generation myth the cycles who is the most defining character in that entire story it's Raya because she's there at the beginning and she's
There through every single succession and she's the one who instigates every succession she's the one who gets Uranus thrown overthrown then gets Chronos overthrown and saves Zeus and she will be the one Institute the next cycle when that comes you know I'm looking here that says from this uh bird website that doves and pitches are basically the same thing with just from different like different uh there's a slightly different um gene or whatever what passage what passage was what paragraph in the day here was the doves
In that was p55 or uh yeah yeah P 54 to 55. great I'll just check it all right but yeah like I can you can see how they're venerating these these beautiful birds I mean even pigeons are pretty beautiful you know and like but like that is that that's exactly what I'm saying and by the way the very next paragraph after that he starts getting into how Addis became the high priest of these rights and taught them to everybody so it's connected to Addis too oh yeah well this is where I want to read something else here where it gets
Even super intense with the Addis stuff this is also from Julian it says from that Creator we distinguish Addis the cause which descends even unto matter and we believe that Addis or gallis is a god of generative power of him the myth relates that after being exposed at Birth near the edian stream of the river gallus he grew up like a flower and when he had grown to be fair and tall he was beloved by the mother of gods and she entrusted all things to him and moreover
Said on his head the starry cap but if I visible Sky covers the crown of Addis must one not interpret the river gallus as The Milky Way for it is there they say that the substance which is subject to change mingles with the passionless revolving sphere of the fifth substance only as far as this did the Mother of God's permit the fair intellectual God Addis who resembles the sun's Rays to leap and dance but when you pass beyond this limit and came even to the lowest
Region the myth said that he had descended into the cave and had wedded the nymph and the nymph is to be interpreted as the dampness of matter though the myth does not hear mean matter itself but the lowest immaterial cause which subsists prior to matter indeed heraclitus says it is death to souls to become wet we mean therefore that this gallus the intellectual God the connecting link between forms embodied in matter beneath the region of the moon is United with the cause that is said over matter but not in the sense
That one's sex is united with another but like an element that is gathered to itself this is so mind-blowing the first time I read this Addison's fannies Addis is Dionysus right this is that reflective of the of the original one being reflected down into all of matter you know and that's that cycle of generations right so Addis is the generative active force of the mother goddess you know that's what Jesus is that's what Dionysus is yeah and this check this out and Dionysus in the in known as his um and notices dionysica
He's all the way in India and he's having trouble and guess what happens this is one of my favorite passages in the in the dionysica Addis comes out from the sky in a giant Chariot pulled by white horses and the sun basically behind him and he descends down and he says what's up Bacchus you in trouble the great mother sends her regards he gives him a shield it's amazing beautiful Magic Shield and he's like you use this you won't fail and then and that box is like good looks bro and then then and then Addis ascends back up into
The sky and leaves I'm like yo this is crazy out of nowhere and this just shows up and saves Dionysus he's the savior you know yeah wow um can I ask really quick I just have to um just really fast what do people think of the tattoos did we notice that they all tattoo themselves yeah and the Assyrians they Bear all these syrians he says bear Stigmata and when he says Assyrians there everything's oh Usher buying Paul right I don't think that the word Assyrian used it this time
It in this form of re-aticizing Greek that Lucian uses a Syrian refers to a follower of the Chaldean Magic so there is this other lady Babylon or cimaranas that is detached from the one
That we're trying to say is this queen in the 9th century this time she's the Builder but she is the leader of those who follow the Chaldean magic which comes to us through the medes who call themselves medes because they follow the queen Medea
Um Julius Caesar when Neil when you're talking about that those Royal Lions Julius Caesar walks into the Temple of Venus genetric he's a son of Venus right the very the the mother of the Roman people right Venus genetics she's that one that produces her people Aeneas and he dedicates he walks into that Temple and he dedicates what does he dedicate he dedicates an artistic work a portrait of Medea oh
Yeah why why Julius Caesar why is that so important you know what I mean read about the drugs that they're taking right and then you realize oh okay fantastic they also had a giant head of priapists in the temple of Augustus too giant face of preipus
Think about what do people think about the tattoos yeah so I was I wanted to ask you about that because like like I was saying before they talk about the tattoos on the hands and they talk about the tattoos on the necks then you said they described them as Stigmata and then there's references to these gold markings on the fish is there any connection there what's going on hmm I I know the scholars who were taught writing about Lucian at least in the 20th century I know they were trying
To say what are these well it's probably patterns that are reproduced and then somebody when they were trying to figure this out in 1913 when this thing is when the translation comes out first and everybody's hot on Lucian people are saying let's figure it out but then later we find the uh Frozen the Frozen scythians right and they have Perfect Tattoos right they have Perfect Tattoos gorgeous tattoos Dragon looking stuff mostly animals right flying things yeah
Gorgeous horse looking things yeah gorgeous so um extent wise the tattoos and epimenities classists don't know this because they don't study tattoos but epimenities walked around with his whole body tattooed right and ultimately it was Paul who was quoting him right who is quoting eponymous he calls him a prophet yeah right as a prophet right he knew who he was look at Titus is it verse 14 I think it is Paul calls up amenities
And then he cites that exact same quote that I'm almost talking about but guess where that vote this guess where that quote even comes from tell us someone you know this I'll tell it though up amenities who's cited by both Paul and calimicus is is actually not the one who invented this quote he's citing Medea because Medea was on the island of Crete having a beauty contest with Themis I think themes is like a Justice goddess or something or what is she she's an oracular surprise surprise the very
Heart of that oracular cult famous yes having a beautiful beauty contest with Themis and then they're like who do you guys vote for they voted for themus and Medea Goes you are a bunch of liars and glut and lazy gluttons you cretans are cursed forever and then all of a sudden first century rolls around Paul cites that in the in the in the in the Bible in the Holy Bible that's Medea didn't you people didn't you people realize out there in the audience then she realized that Paul was the biggest druggie on the planet that he's taken so much drugs he gets he gets
Kicked up to the Third Avenue baby he sent it he was so high he went to the third heaven but yeah I wanted to ask Rich though um before um when we were talking about semoramus and I was looking into her one thing I noticed is that there were Scholars talk about how there's two semoramuses basically and they have to distinguish between them because there's the historical one but then there's a figure that persists in the occulted texts and even appears up into the Middle Ages
Have you noticed anything in any of these texts relating to samaramus uh wretch uh not simmeramus explicitly but uh we do get uh in the McGregor Mathers translation of the greater Keys we get an appendix which refers to uh the demon of chesid
Or Jupiter in Kabbalah and the chief demon of that is ashrath or astarte quote the impure Venus of the syrians whom they represent with the head of an ass or of a bull and the breasts of a woman and so uh this brings to mind uh astarte from San kuniathan who will also uh wears the head of a bull after a failed Rebellion against Kronos so there's a uh
There is hints at this kind of uh near Eastern influence on or mixing with the Greeks and also in say the kirinitis text which is a hermetic text that gives a occult correspondences of natural magic for the Greek letters is it like a Greek kabbalistic text and so we see like uh the Greek uh Sapphire is often conflated with lapis lazuli and this is a key symbol of the goddess uh like ishtar's gate is covered in lapis lazulu and that represents the night sky so that's urania right the the gold specks in the lapis lazuli are the stars in the night sky but also just
Regular Sapphire is often symbolic of the night sky as in Kabbalah yeah uh and so uh the Kappa letter is associated with with Aphrodite and sapphire in the kirinitis text and so there's a it's a their form of Aphrodite urania
Now just to back up a little bit uh when we were quoting Julian the apostate it said it mentioned what water is and that is death to souls well we can read that very an elaborate explanation of that in uh poor freeze on the Cave of the nymphs which explains the water and the those nymphs are nyads or like mermaids and they are the cause of reincarnation and there's a whole elaborate story about
How water causes Incarnation and this seems to have found its way into gnosticism at least some forms of it where they were really against water baptism and they had all this elaborate symbolism about it or even in mandates we read about the fissures of men in the same tax Ranch uh Julian talks about how the pythagoreans he says the reason they don't eat certain fruit vegetables is because they grow too deep in the ground like they avoid carrots certain root vegetables they only want ones that will
Grow upwards and it becomes this whole big thing but you have to eat things that reach for the heavens by the way yes here's your historical here's your historical Summit this is the queen uh in this you know this that's your if you want to talk about the historical one or whatever that's that's anyways go ahead we're right past that now sounds like sunscreen for too long that's all no worries what'd you say what you said Snappy sounds like something the manakians would have uh believed or you know maybe they took
Influence from that who knows
Yeah a lot of their diet stuff gets so weird because they're also avoiding certain things that'll give them gas and then they're avoiding things that are too deep in the ground so there's some all of this underworld type symbolism is so key to it yeah it has uh in the Chinese uh Buddhist uh
Propaganda against the mannequins they they uh they're weirded out because the mannequins like to eat red mushrooms it says apparently all red mushrooms but you know it's probably meaning more Rishi but if they came across amanitas they probably would have liked any red mushrooms that are edible but one thing I was also noticing when I was looking in this Lucian text is that when he was looking for the origins the oldest form of the Goddess he goes back to Egypt and then to Libya into Africa
And I wanted to ask Dion uh when you were digging into oh I think we may have lost Dion but are you okay yeah Dion when you were digging into Aphrodite what was the oldest Center that you found uh related to her cult and did it also take you to Africa or where did it take you competing Cults uh in the video we did uh yesterday four centers
Um the boss brick which is the Black Sea and that's where she gets the title of Medusa and apaturo uh the deceiver are the heavy winds then turkey at Mount Ida um next to next to where the Gobekli Tepe or Troy in between that area where she gets the you'll see pictures of her with the goose or the swan and the next at Cyprus cooperis where she comes out of the water with the foam but originally they'll say that she um it's kythera that the the genitals land at kithra but go over to Cyprus and come up and then Ashkelon
Where she gets the title of aphrodite um scorpion at the end and she's connected to Dionysus as well in Ashland and there's another version of her um zephyriti that's in Egypt and that's the that means the West Winds Aphrodite of the West Winds but I think in most um references she comes from the East they think she comes from the East that's all they know she's from the East that makes sense too with the lapis lazuli because we know that at this time in the especially in the Bronze Age
Almost all lapis lazuli is coming from Pakistan or arapa civilization right you know so and then we all have all there's all of those references to her being in Syria and in in in and around turkey and those tepies there um Ammon what do you think of the about the origins of this Aphrodite cult and lucan's claim of Libya I'm gonna have to go with the linguistic evidence I'm just gonna say all I can say from linguistic evidence is she is the Medusa
And it happens that the Medusa is birthed from Libya so um we gotta go back to that origin and say at least linguistically in the Greek there's a connection here um with Libya is there reason I mean if we take it if we just look at the lady mystery with all of the names and ask ourselves all of these names all of these titles for her for that same person is there some historical
Connection that we can make right and that's what Neil is looking feedverishly right he's looking at simmeremis historically in the 9th century right wife and the Nimrod and all the connections there and everything he's trying to nail it down in the language that other enigmatic that other
Enigmatic cimaranas that is she who originates this golly process she who enters and by the way she becomes her son in order to rule yeah she takes on a masculine form in in order to rule um so linguistically is there connection with her that Venus that morning star I would say through the Medea through the through the Medusa
Um connected to Libya and is that why the Greeks said that Medea comes from Libya we know that she's of Greek ancestry right we know she's of Greek ancestry at least but seems to be she has an origin of migrating out of Libya so would she have been part of the worship of Amon and the oracular there's a reason that she's the Oracle at Sarah right Mathias the Oracle at Thera um is you know does that come out of the worship of Ammon it's tyrini and it's
Siwa right oh ah there's a lot there there's a lot there I mean putar says that these rights were given to the Romans from the Silicon Pirates that's what he says he says the basilican Pirates are the ones who brought these rights to the Romans um and it says that uh the the nyads are the ones who are set over the waters so it's a water it's a lot of like like we're talking about pirates in the sea that are navigating the waters and they're doing these rights and they're
Finding Islands to go to and setting up these grotos and then it talks about how zor or uh it talks about how the Magi when they would um they would find like portals to Hades they'd find these deep holes in the ground that would like lead to Hades and they would they would scream at the top of their lungs and and then they would chant these these bakic chants like yeah oh yeah oh iwa iwa and they would scream it so loud that their sweat would turn into blood and they'll
Be at the point of death because their all their energy is just being spent by chanting and this would open up a portal of Hades that's in the text wow one thing I wanted to ask Pirates don't forget the pirates pirates are the ones that gave them the stuff who are the ones who were going to be abducting the children to give to Venus on Cyprus right Pirates oh my God you just reminded me I'm I'm so excited about this conversation I'm sorry last thing and I'm gonna chill out for this you
Even mute me Bacchus the holiest hymn to Bacchus the homeric hymn the Bacchus what happens the Bacchus he gets abducted by Pirates and then what happens he turns the whole ship into a Vine and he turns into a lion and he Roars at them and they're all freaked out and they jump off the boat and Bacchus is that that a looser the loose the you know the uh the the uh what is that the the possessor like he becomes he possesses them and all that like it's
The craziest story it's good you got to read it the homeric hymn the Bacchus it's the best a lot of that stuff makes me think about how we get all of this imagery to with um you know like one of the things you notice is that there is that like you were talking about kneeling your eshman video right associated with all of these mother are these uh these Venus goddesses there's always this kind of child right that is kind of born and then it sort of fulfills a healing role
Whether this is asclepius or eshman or Mel cart or and they form this you know it's like this um it's a masculine version of the goddess in a sense right it comes in to bring about this healing snake magic you know what do you guys think about that you see it all over the Mediterranean Sardinia Carthage phenicia you know
North that it's all like that's you see these these temples it's like it's either asclepius or it's Ashman or it's Mel cart but it's the same symbolism the serpent on the rod that healing symbol and they got bats set up they got oil they got they got galai running the place it's always it's always the same it's the same it's the way they do it it's the mystery and then inside the inner templum what do you got the phallus they run it the same way doesn't matter where you go even if it's
A different God name it's the same it's they run it the same way the the Mysteries are performed in the same with the same uh system basically yeah Snappy you and Dion and snappy and Dion you guys published a picture last time and your great great great episode that you just had you published a picture of this Venus um but she was involved with serpents and whatnot what was your how are you struck by that image well it that was found in turkey at Mount Ida all right so that's in turkey
And we were debating because they say that It's associated with the sclepius because of the the serpent being on her arm and on her leg but we think it's connected with Medusa because they found those inscriptions recently where it's it says Aphrodite Medusa
And close to that region and so it could she could be Aphrodite asclepius or Aphrodite Medusa
Wow there's this interesting Theory I wanted to bring up and that I've seen in a couple of different academic papers where they're analyzing this Cult of the mother goddess and they talk about how you have this this masculization process
That happens in that in the earliest versions of the cult it's almost purely feminine and then you have the introduction of this by gender Dionysus then that evolves into the masculine asclepius and eventually into the Christos that we all know and love what do you guys think about this idea here makes sense
Where does where does Jesus sit on that scale is he the testicle Tanner or is he the one who's made the successful transition and is able to embrace that feminine to become that guy anymore unfortunately Jesus is the the key to bastardizing and ending The Cult of the mother right he signals this whole cart being usurped with into patriarchal forms so even though some of that imagery subsists in early Christianity ultimately it doesn't persist in the greater Christian sphere I mean you do have Sophia and you have the Virgin Mary
But right that's the feminine goddess reduced to to two very limited forms right speaking of Aphrodite real quick uh we did the video yesterday where we talked about uh in the Bible you have the quotes where Jesus has to present be presented with doves they have to sacrifice two doves right and that deals with Aphrodite right 100
Not only that but did anybody notice that Jesus went into this magical operation with this crazy crazy Marcus named John who was taking kids out into the Wilderness baptized right and that way of baptism originally comes from comes from to die purple right did anybody notice that Jesus is in the middle of this magic operation and Uranus opens which is a nice Pagan way of of expressing the convergence of Two Worlds by the opening of a portal and specifically uranos the heaven we Transit heaven and we all
Think Skye look he's flood Sky no no Jesus sucked a dove out of Uranus right and that's when he gets kicked into the eremon it says immediately he goes into the eremon where he will be Tried by Satan these are the Deep things of Satan right you know what you just explained you just explained what I was talking about and plutarch's text about the about the the magus screaming at the top of their lungs and opening portals you just and it's in the it's in a water setting it's by it's in an island somewhere by these Pirates by these Magus Pirates and you just I
Didn't even realize until you said it they're in the water doing a baptism and a dove comes down that's the same thing right so uh go ahead the holy the holy ghost or holy spirit is typically symbolized as a dove and it seems pretty clear that Christianity did take the symbolism of the goddess and the Mysteries and turned it patriarchal and this is must have been one of its main functions uh especially in its spread throughout the Roman Empire it wouldn't have spread if that wasn't part of the agenda
Of the early Christians they they per they particularly wanted to co-opt the feminine mysteries for the Patriarchs so if with this in mind it it occurs to me like the Bible says that the the one unforgivable sin is to uh is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit there's no uh there's no way to come back from that apparently wow so it's almost like they're Christianity is a form of entrapment to get people to blaspheme the goddess so it'll be they'll damn themselves or or there's something weird going on there I I don't know necessarily know
What it is inverted that's what Christianity is it's the Mysteries inverted to separate people from the world soul and to keep us reincarnating and you know what I know there's archons or whatever the main the main people who TR who convert to Christianity if you look at the second century that's really what Christian is a second century thing it's a second century religion if you look at the second century the people who are converting are all phrygian eunuchs from from the great mother religion switching over to Christianity
Why is that something why why are they the ones that are targeted to become it's not Jews that are converting Jews aren't converting to Christianity it's these people in phrygia that are converting well it's also right where it becomes really wild to me is when you start to look into some of this history okay like I came across this Theologian orisius sure Ammon knows this guy he wrote the history and versus pagananos which is basically him just talking about how all paganism is evil and he remember I sent
You that quote Neo where he even says that all that is evil is Pagan and the whole entire book is about him converting The Mystery of the mother goddess into something that's satanic taking small elements and conflating them with Jesus and everything else is evil and he's even explicit about the what he's doing you know if you if you combine that with with the acts of Philip which tells the whole story of the conversion of the cult of Sybil in phrygia in quite a bit of detail Gail
And Phillips you know being a necromancer he's opening up Hades he's doing all kinds of black magic they kind of settle it at the end and Jesus kind of undoes the harm that Philip did just so that well to me it seems like they're trying to one-up the pagans but also one up the Jewish prophets and say yeah well Jesus is merciful so our Apostles can do all this black magic like the Jewish prophets but they're Jesus is more merciful so it's a way of one-upping to Jews as well but that whole acts of Philip King is all about trans people
And uh how to convert them really and snake handling Phillips is evoking this the ghost of the Nephilim which take the form of serpents it goes on and like there talks about that I a priestess who uh gets tired of being bitten by snakes so converts to Christianity and it's all very literal and explicit there's no San Jose there in Matthew 19. it's amazing texts that most people haven't read he says for there are eunuchs who were born that way and others were made that way by men
What is he talking about there he's talked that's talking that's Addis Mysteries that no one else is just doing that for no reason I'm so glad you said that Neil why does no preacher you Baptist out there get off your butt and start preaching the Eunice the eunuch sizing of the mystery
Can I he says and then there are eunuchs that I do it for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven that one who can accept that should accept it that's the next thing he says that's why Christianity lost his power the Christianity lost its power man and what rats just did is was gorgeous because he showed you look these other Mysteries are going on at the same time right this is competition Jesus is just another guy right he's just stepping up into the mold right walking around saying some people are
Made eunuchs for the king of heaven right he wasn't like laughing when he said that he was serious yeah no but what's important about this is that we have to understand the paganil year right all these mystery Cults are competing with one another when we read texts right like people will belong to seven or eight different Mysteries some of which they believe that it's all the same goddess like we have people talk about oh I'm a part of the Isis cult and I'm a part of the Aphrodite cult they
Don't believe them is different they believe that when they show up in the Hades and they stand in front of Saturn and and Pluto they actually think that look oh here's my here's my ellenian Mysteries card here's my phrygian mother card here's my they that's what they were told like the more initiations you have the better it is going to be when you go down and you you know what I mean and you make sure you have what else would epileus get all the mystery rates
Doesn't he get all of them Augustus got initiated into seven different Cults including elizinian three times he's the king of the world what does he care he that because these are this is real they build this is real this is not a joke they're really about this but it really reminds me when you brought up that stuff that Jesus was saying because Dion you were digging into that in a big deep way right did you notice anything going on there well also when we're when you said
Matthew 19 talking about the eunuchs there was another phrase where if Eunice that keep the Sabbath and perform all the rituals correctly they get a name put on the wall that's above the sons and daughters we talked about that in the the eunuch video um you know just in Esther alone the word eunuch is used 19 times
Wow yeah it's got a special place and by the way Esther I'm glad he brought that up because Esther is a mimesis of The Descent of Ishtar Mordecai the reason why it's Mordecai which is Marduk and not some the mootsi thing because that David already has that name but Marduk is synchronized with tamus the God is called Bell look it up b-e-l that's the synchronization of Marduk and tamwoo so it's fitting it's fitting that Mordecai is mordecai it's fine but Esther who is Ishtar descends into the palace just like ask
Sir descends into hell the palace is hell that's the king is is is Pluto he's got the wealth and he's the ruler so she she descends into the palace one by one taking her her clothing articles off and then when she gets there she's at the she's at the brink of death she faints and guess who saves her her eunuchs her Unix it's in the text of Esther the eunuchs are there telling you those eunuchs are always those are the ones who have to run the temple that's what that means that's
What that that's what the author is saying there you need to have the eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven they are the ones that are going to run the temple they have no other they're they're devoted they are the ones who are devoted well they originally would protect the kings and queens because they couldn't impregnate and they couldn't mess up the holy lineage of the bloodline but then eventually they had a lot of power so much power that people would be coming to a womb to bribe them to get
Things done and you know we got to make a distinction between trans people and eunuchs see eunuchs in ancient times were like in a typical family they would castrate one of the sons hoping that he could go into an administrative position and the government or with the king or queen nobody said that it was gay or feminine right he was castrated and he's put in a position of power some and if it isn't the full castiration which means both which is called the Great Seal which most most of the times it's just their genitals so
They can still get it up they could still be sexual they're still masculine inside they've just been feminized to get into a government position compared to a trans Priestess of the Goddess that's something different that's what Matthew 19 is talking about is that a eunuch who can accept this accept this they're doing that for the goddess to take on the goddess the femininity and that's a different process and so people are mistaking a trans Priestess with the eunuch two separate histories where do you put Daniel in that mixture
Dion where do you put that well Shadrach because there was four of them and ashpinaz which means the horse's nose was in charge there with Nebuchadnezzar or uh people say Cyrus what happens is they bring four young boys to them and they're told to put them through a three-year process where they feed them a special food and diet from the King and Daniel doesn't want to do it he tells them hey I don't want to do it and so the Lord tells ashbanas to take a liking to Daniel but we know that Shadrach and the other three go through
With it you know um and then later on they get put into the fire with the angel gibral and they don't burn but you know being put into the fire is burning off their immortality you know we see that a lot what about the what about the fact that the guy who's running all of this right that he's called the chief eunuch what why is the chief eunuch setting up I mean come on I'm getting my mind where it you know around all this so there's
This ancient Queen who creates this thing these Priestly eunuchs who have this magic power whose names ultimately Ascend and become higher right what happens to these people okay over time look by this time there's a chief eunuch and that Chief eunuch is picking out boys right and it says and damn got to be good looking why do these boys have to be good looking
If I'm a queen and I'm making eunuchs right and I'm making these boys to be that Priestly to be my Addus right how am I gonna how am I gonna make these little rackular boys right what kind of if I'm giving them Viper Venom you're right that's not just castration now you're now you're dealing with hormones oh right yeah definitely I think yeah I think you hit the nail on the head Dia don't forget Ashman is also a eunuch Ashman gets castrated for the for the sake of the goddess and so yeah
You have and Ashman like Addis is described as as beautiful as beautiful can get the most beautiful Hunter and shape running around looking and the goddess is like oh oh look at that beautiful boy making mine there's something to that there's some sort of like some sort of connection happening there yeah one thing that's wild though is like when we were looking into the drugs and Dion you can get in more deep into this we started to notice that all of them are estrogenic right like The Detour is estrogenic the Cannabis is estrogenic the horse milk is estrogenic
Ever you know all of these stuff that they're incorporating to these rights are also being used in these birthing rights or being used to increase estrogen hormones yeah well using the AI um part of the process is I had to cross-reference menstruation and menopause drugs with snake bite remedies against folklore usage in the levantine and Baltic area and then it would come up with I would get serotonin acetylcholines
Um so what's going to happen is you might heard of that Coca-Cola when you put some of the ingredients um apart they're one thing but when you put them together it could be toxic when it's in the can and it doesn't create that chemical reaction until they're all together well until it's in the body all these things competing in the body could have effects to slow down the pituitary growth that's what they're aiming towards and that's what the snake Venoms attacked pituitary and then you would
Need a buffer that that'll slow down the negative effects and these are these drugs that happen to work with menopause and you know work with serotonin and acetylcholine and hemorrine you know blood coagulation they work with abortions
Yeah and I know like when I was looking into a lot of the the Hijra drugs so the hidras they're doing the full castration okay to become full priestesses of the mother goddess and this would be a 40-day right that they would undergo and they would have to like tie off their their their privates using hemp rope okay and then they would be taking these snakes and having these snakes bite the genitals directly
Just so incredibly wild and then they would have a priestess who would come and cut it all off in a single blow they would say and she'd keep it in a special box and then they would administer a special type of hot cannabis oil over the wound which was supposed to like heal everything up and everything but then there was always these issues a lot of the Hijra have huge problems urinating and they have a real hard time keeping the the the the the urethra open
So they used to even take like bamboo and put them in there and stuff really brutal so a lot of the the Hydra to this day are going through these traditional rights you know and it's not pleasant
Foreign you would thank our surgery now if we're talking about this in people that you know Daniel was taken in order to be an advisor so that he could come to a place where he could help Rule the Kingdom right that's what they're doing so and you're always going to these guys you're always going to these astrologers you're always going to these Magi in order to make things work in order to administer the Kingdom so if this is if this is the way that um they're determining how to do this in Antiquity how have we become
So turned around that you don't hear sermons on Jesus and making eunuchs right why don't we ever preach about that anymore right Jesus is making you why is that not a part of it can you see how the taking they've taken their keto completely out of the picture they've taken that morning star completely out and I guess that's what you're saying Snappy is that they have has it been masculinized has it been uh uh if we vote look Jehovah had his crack right Jehovah had his crack is a mystery
And Jesus had his crack is in mystery and um the all the O fights that none of us remember they all had their crack at the mystery but ultimately historically this activity should be traceable to a single group maybe even a single person so if this is a biochemical drug sex
Um mystery eating the Flesh and drinking the Hyma right if we're in there you guys were asking how do we get the burning purple in the eyes originally it starts with cunnilingus right cunnilingus how do you get that how do you get that communion from that virgin right and I don't care if that uh virgin Oracle is male or female or Castro I'm
Talking about using the human body as a machine that you know if you do it this way it ends up the person lives an extra three decades right on average an extra three decades hmm why is the aging process go what about disease oh no no this is all through that serpent on the pole we're we're making disease
Um irrelevant right there's a reason the tree of knowledge was there boccaccio I'm not I'm not making this up go to boccaccio now everybody who's into the everybody's who's into the dragons through time and these are people who um preserved an order that preserved this imagery through time
Um boccaccio go to picacio for some reason Sim Aramis comes right after he's writing an entire work work about this same woman one woman over and over and over again and she starts as Eve and works her way through simaramas and um then all surprise surprise all of the divinities all of those individual identities of Lady Babylon all of those different aspects a start right and Venus and Libya and the Medusa yeah all
Of that he he moves his way through it so there is a long tradition of this mystery cult functioning and it's a very organic thing it's an it's a personal thing and it's something that moves Society because the last guy in the driver's seat look what he look what he did to the mystery look what he did to the to the rest of us that followed him right
Um Snappy I didn't want to get too personal but I wanted to ask you is there some light is there some Spark of this mystery that you witnessed from the Dark Side when you
Um engaged Christians with that Holy Spirit was there something you know people talk about the abuse was there something mystery to it um or uh you know what would you say is going on there is that were you supposed to be that child that this person is supposed to enter into that pederastic relationship with is that what this is that what the the beating depths the heart of that cult really lead to well all I can say is that uh the way that it worked in my situation
Was it was all through this yeah like this kind of Parental relationship a teacher kind of loving Guru type relationship with someone and they're rewarding you and they're teaching you you know so it screams to me if that pederastic relations that that's why this is able to happen you know like children don't just it's not like the abuse that happens is not like people think it's not like they're just taking kids into back rooms and then just beating them or just hurting them right or just having having their way
With them it's about manipulating these kids into thinking they deserve it or wanting to to perform acts with them you know it's about transforming someone into someone like you at least that's how it felt from my perspective
You know I was just I was just wondering because I talked to and I'll shut up I was just wondering because I talked to um that the general one of the guys that was involved in the big Scandal that blew up in Boston and he he indicated there was an energy behind what the priest it was in his case was a priest was doing to him that he recognized within the right is that just that pederastic is it that pederastic fire
Um and if so I mean we're talking about a woman who set up the creation of boys who were castrated and put under the influence of drugs to enter into ecstatic states that we know did involve sexuality is there a do are we gonna have to say in order to bring lady Babylon back we're gonna have to say there's something to this process there's something to it that can become corrupted
Um where it's now no longer medicine like in your case that's not medicinal in the gentleman's case from Boston that was not medicinal at all he's still with that priest right or in your case maybe a preacher or Pastor you're still with that official
But the the mystery exercise is corrupted so that um you're receiving something that is not uh it's not part of a resurrection it's part of a just an entrance into death you know I don't know what I don't know I just I was thinking about you the other day and I thought I wonder if Snappy has like a super good perspective on this kind of thing
This idea of the if you look at all of these sacrifices what are they sacrificing what are they putting up on display right forget about the boys for a second it's always these virginal children it's a celebration of that ultimate beauty of that youth right part of it is that part of it with these boys is there is a transformation into puberty there's this essence of this young power and it's I feel like it's this erotic desire to destroy
Something that's beautiful and to destroy something that's sacred I really feel like it's this afro deity type energy of desire that's that it needs to just destroy in order to have this release it's this it's it's the same kind of sexual release right it's this when if you read um George patai he talks about this a lot George patai is a philosopher he gets really into this concept of sacrifice and this idea of the accursed share and he talks about how both in in BDSM and in religious rights and in all of these sacrificial rights it's
Always about you have this excess energy you have this excess within the society that needs to be burned off so there's always this creation of something that's absolute and then it has to be destroyed and brought down and there's something about this visceral destruction that is very human and very rewarding it brings about this incredible pleasure you know look at this right here that I have right here from uh this Wikipedia page right here uh if you can click on it I just wanna yeah I want something now this is interesting I I don't know what it means
If anyone can where is it just right at the bottom yeah sorry it's just my yeah just my sharing screen thing yeah it just was giving me everything so okay so this is from the the kings of sidon dedicated this so we have this is it it's in the museum right now fully perfect there's a little inscription you see a little inscription there and this is what it says this statue son of King bana king of the sedonians king of the sidonians son of King of the sidonians gives this to Lord Ashman at the yadel spring may
He bless him so he gives him this Temple boy and what is it why why did he give him that and why is it dedicated to eshman it's a fifth century BCE it's old man and I keep thinking a lot of this Temple stuff like a lot of these young boys I keep thinking of I keep getting this image of Aphrodite and Eros Aphrodite in the in the in the cupid right there's something about this relationship between the young beautiful babe and the mother goddess right and to get to the young to get to the mother goddess you
Have to go through that that youth through that that loving youth or through that desire the her the the the twin of of Eros Hermos what do you guys think of that it makes me think of Orpheus doing thracian pirate stuff what's going on with that you know well when I was reading going back to the Syrian goddess there was one thing that really stood out that loosen said when he was talking about the Egyptian rights and how there was this thing where a head would be brought from Egypt all the way to Syria and this would happen every
Year and the head would be on a plate and it's related to Osiris that doesn't sound like Osiris to me that sounds like Orpheus what's going on oh wow Lucian says he saw this with his own eyes this talking head on a plate and if they're doing this I mean what's the difference between Orpheus spreading bakic Rites of Resurrection right and ending up losing his head that flows down the river and sings what's the difference between that and and the Egyptian side of Osiris I think that's
Why Lucian is like yeah it could probably comes from the Egyptians right or what about John the Baptist maybe he's drawing on that whole story's drawing on Salem is worshiping at our goddess or well some version of of the Goddess No Doubt uh I mean as for there's there's many motivations here and different
Individuals involved but it certainly they want it as the patriarchal system uh Rises they want to inculcate that sadomastic masochistic uh State of Mind for their own purposes and uh if the goddess is all about love and life well they worship death and pain and and it occurs to me you know maybe part of this is some patriarchal men didn't want to get castrated they wanted to be administrators but they didn't want to be eunuchs so they created the like Catholic style priesthood and they promised to be celibate and uh and they
Hate women instead so they they just encouraged misogyny instead of getting castrated and say well you can rape some boys and then traumatize them into becoming you know averse to sex and uh and to hate life so that scene that indoctrination uh is a means of putting in the Death Wish into the boys and to make them hate sex and that way they make good administrators for the patriarchal system
I mean there's this whole like how did this uh we we can see that the trans cult and the goddess cult are at the root of Christianity but then obviously it got inverted and they they hate trans people now and so
How did this is clearly at the core of some a lot of issues so we can you know we same time we can read how people with damaged testicles don't get into heaven so there was a lot of debate going on here and the gnostics were in the middle of it as well like apparently on yeah in the middle of the pagans and the Christians it's hard to say what's going on there but they were clearly not all anti-trans either so or even warned about the archon
Splitting up the hermaphroditic Adam and Eve as a form of control hmm on the origin of the world or maybe was the hypothesis effect both of those are very key key to this one thing I wanted to ask you guys and I've been kind of been noticing and is that this parallel going on between Aphrodite and Saturn okay Saturn
Castrates himself and is brought low and then it's it's going on here does Saturn become Aphrodite and is that what's happening with Zeus and Athena is Zeus gonna be brought low and transformed into into Athena is is that's what's she like this thing that like there's something happening out of time that confuses things
When you follow this logic though when you follow it when I'm following this logic of the symbolism it seems to connect but it's all outside of time it doesn't make sense in a linear framework what do you think that's like Osiris dying and his son Horus it's his son becomes Osiris he avenges them and becomes the new Osiris that's like that's like a masculine patriarchal version of the Saturn and his daughter Venus you know because that's his daughter Venus is the daughter of Saturn but like
Like you said she sort of Rises into that position she even said that she's even given like power over creation stuff she's super powerful and then it's transformed into the feminine even though it's his child Right comes out of the out of that that destruction that he causes right when he severs the the scepter but still it's this and it's the same thing with Athena right she comes out of the out of the Zeus right yeah spirus being right next to her that's he's identified with Horus
In some cases so you have this God who has the power to make anyone fall in love and then you had like all these philosophers like Socrates saying yo Eros is more powerful than Zeus so that tandem between Venus and Eros get out of here you're not doing nothing against them
Right so there's one interesting uh version of these Mysteries comes from the island of Rhodes and yeah in a sense Aphrodite is that offspring of Kronos was created by that castration but it's also the offsp more you know the blood literally of Uranus Heaven is the fertility of heaven or the the life essence of Heaven so on the island of Rhodes we get a interesting story that uh
The uh telkins are these or maybe I'm not pronouncing it right but uh telkines are these blacksmithing uh Wizards who are likened to the midnight by dear Doris and uh they use drugs and they command
The winds but they had these uh they had these Sons called the Eastern demons or demons proseus probably mispronounced that as well but they did not win Aphrodite was trying to come to a Shore they they refused her they they wouldn't let her come to roads and so she had to go off to Cyprus and or other places and so she uh cursed their mother that the Eastern demons who was the telkind sister halia and uh
So the Eastern demons had sex with their mother and uh their father Poseidon was so pissed off at this that he flooded them or killed drowned them under the island they are these telkines and these Eastern demons are the closest Greek correspondence to the Watchers and Nephilim that I can think of they knew that the flood was coming and uh some of them went off as well like there's and this is connected to other a Crete another similar ideas are told about the diffusion of metal working and these similar entities like the kabiri
And Cory bontus there's some cool inflation there but that's a later kind of Roman era thing but uh so these Hoya is uh actually ended up becoming the goddess Luca Thea means the white goddess and she had a who is also known as melkart melakartis it's a different different it's it's connected to the Phoenician tradition but it's not the same Heracles uh melkart so what is it is he a Healer uh
Helamon uh Mel cart one they they go to rescue Sailors out at the sea actually and they're like Associated this kind of brings us back to uh Savers yeah because that's one's the one who saves right and so uh
Yeah could be I mean uh she might be a form of Helen of Troy actually who also with with the twins uh was known to appear to Steelers and stuff but uh this Luca Thea is also another is is the name of another goddess uh seems to be a cult title you know and even I suppose influence Robert Graves she's looking to see it look at theas also daughter of Cadmus
Um and palaimon is the companion of Dionysus and they even call Heracles palamonian so um wow there's something going on again is this the mystery from the theben side is this the thracian side bleeding through what what is this you can't get by Rex nice job catching you know Parliament Luca Thea you can't you know
And this is all this also involves the institution of the goddess Athena on the island of Rhodes and it's uh yeah this all eventually leads to that and that that marriage between Cadmus and harmonia is where the Mysteries are born because it says that it says that uh Adamas in some of the in some of the Traditions it's Adamas and other ones it's yassios yasios Jason Jesus basically and he that he attends this seek secret marriage on the uh some some places say it's on Sam
With rice I don't know there's other Traditions the one I'm thinking of on the island of Samus race the sacred marriage between harmonia and Cadmus and the Mysteries are born from this marriage take that where you will right yeah so I mean there's a variety of violence with these with these mystery Cults that we know even less about than it loses like samoth race or delos and uh there's there's certainly
There's some weird underlying similarities and yet they're very different and uh boy it's mysterious and interesting to look into but nail nail on the head can I just recognize rats you just hit a nail on the head in the orific hymn to lucasaya it says that she is both Medusa okay so we have the connection with a start there we have the connection with Venus there and she is what what was that sotela
She's the Savior she's called The Savior we have that in Greek from the orphic hymns check this out check this out this is crazy I just found this this is from I love this website by the way theoy.com
You have to be flipping through this check this out yassion otherwise and yasios in some cases in Greek agricultural hero and the springtime consort of Demeter what you're the either concert or Demeter you gotta be important in the same with racial mystery yaseon lays with the Dallas in a Thrice plowed field during the wedding celebrations of cadmos and harmonia on the islands of San muthraki when Zeus learned of the affair he slew Yasuo with the Thunderbolt According to some asean and the agricultural hero tryptolumus were asked
For its place Among the Stars for the constellation Gemini Yasiel this is the crazy part this is what I wanted to share yes perhaps equated with Addis huh the dying consort of phrygian kyberly and the caramonar Demeter's concert on the island of Crete now we're a Crete all of a sudden hessiat appears to equate the two when he places yasion in Crete so he just retells the story in Crete the meaning of the name Yasuo is obscure and I think it's the same with Jesus by the way it's that healer and a Healer agricultural dying and Rising God
That's what this is it says uh the Greek word for bindweed a small flowering Vine there's that bakic imagery commonly found in the growing wheat Fields entwined with grain stocks Vine and grain yo holy [\\h__\\h] whoever wrote this didn't put two and two together what are you doing dude Vine ingrained entwined right there that's the Mysteries right there wow wow yeah no that's so blatant yeah so
This just involves the origin of Agriculture which is of course under Chronos again so it brings back to Crow and his name is Jesus his name is what and he's got the yeah the buying weed this isn't a myth guys it's not a myth he was a real dude yeah oh just one more thing quickly about the tell kinds is they uh are said to have made the sickle of Kronos so there's that as well just wow yeah they're important don't don't feel too uncomfortable if our sources
Start telling us that this this uh female entity that's so important and Central to the mystery is the granddaughter of somebody big and important like a Saturn well how does it happen with on this end um with uh our Babylonian Queen well her father is Poseidon right her father is Poseidon and it in the myth his his father it's not how you think it is it's actually it's Cronus yeah it's actually Saturn oh wait a minute so um we're getting these this female who is the central you know figure of the mystery we're getting here from multiple
Cultures um bringing her back to the very same uh you know symbolic source of power very same thing it's like the mystery is working over and over through history and they can change the names and they can call it whatever Force they want but by the time it gets down to Jesus it's Machinery is still being used and we don't recognize that we talk about as Christians we talk about if we're in church we talk about the mystery the mystery and none of us have a clue about
Its operation none of it so how can you have a people who are so detached from the actual physics of their religion that they're not doing anything of what the original people including their own master god what he was doing why don't we have of you know people who are saying hey um this is an important image to bring out we need the boy who is transformed we need we need that transformed boy I don't know I just realized something so the one of the common names for the high
Priest in in the temple of Jerusalem is Jesus yes yo sir yeah Jesus or yasi or uh Yeshua whatever you want whatever it's the same name uh and I'm wondering because when we go back I don't know if you guys saw my video with the wild Bock egg origins of Judaism remember that video I did yeah and I you I you can clearly see that this old tradition coming from like 5th 6th Century BC all the way up to well then Septuagint is written whatever whatever's happening
That forms this thing is bakic all the names are bakic it's all like the same they have the same dress that wear that the priests wear the same tassels they have the same rights they had the same everything if the name is yasios if they're all naming themselves this it's probably because they're ma they want the high priest is married to Demeter remember we just saw yasuyon is the consort of Demeter when you become a high priest you're marrying yourself to the Mysteries so you become that yasios
Now and that makes you wonder all those High priests that are named Jesus in the Old Testament there's a whole bunch of them it's like four or five of them they're probably that's probably where they got their name from but yeah no no I think you're on to something for sure Neil but I wanted to answer ammon's question because he raised there like why did all of the Mysteries get lost right and I think it's pretty obvious why they got lost because we erased the female perspective you know why is a lot
Of this coming back it's because people are paying attention to the women or listening to women or women are doing the scholarly work that's the only reason why this has come to light or you have trans people who are doing the work and who are looking at it because if you do not have that perspective if you're not looking for that perspective you will not see it you know it's easily erased which is the unfortunate thing and I think that's also part of what was actively happening right you have this Rome is an explicitly patriarchal
Society they're out to create an empire of control and what do we have with Christianity of the marriage of Jewish nationalism with Pagan universalism into the ultimate social control program we've ever seen you know and what happens after they install it they fall okay within a century Rome's gone yeah they destroy each other they undermine themselves right they destroyed their very Foundation right they were logistical Masters they were I was watching someone describe how how they sent how they sent resources to their armies in the desert and they were logistic Masters they would set up these
Amazing brilliant outposts and they would send like Lumber all the way in the middle of the desert water all the way in the middle of the desert and then they compared it to the to the byzantines that were trying to sack Jerusalem and the Crusades and they were all dying of starvation and thirst they had no no no wood they couldn't build anything they just were like like running around the desert like where are we going it's not the same room anymore that's something different yeah
And the gospel Christian Christian uh Gods burned down Rome and all these you know they Unleashed a Frankenstein's monster and it trashed the Empire right but one thing I wanted to get to is I was looking deep into the origins of this stuff and I'm trying to find our earliest references to the mother goddess and I came to two different places one I found these um German Scholars these classes specifically this guy Jacob backofan who was looking into the palazzions and he was determining the plasgans were matriarchal society
Centered around the worship of these trees and of caves and then what was really interesting to me if we look into the archaeological evidence around this area the earliest religious references we find are these Venus figurines located in these sacred Groves around trees or in these caves the same ancient right being like coming from the the absolute primordial of human history check this out they had that same figurine that giant like oh um heavy set Venus figure is same exact one in Lydia if like this is supposed to be from like
5000 BCE and that they call it kubaba kabuli right so it's like you had the connection with that and kaiboli the great mother Venus that's there's some sort of primordial uh goddess tradition that shows up since the beginning of time that we can't even think again and again and again the the the the the the feminine body for sure but also this connection to the Stars the connection to the trees and the connection to the caves right these seem to be very primordial also we see often
The Sea Foam keeps coming up in all of these goddesses all of these Creator goddesses even in a lot of the indigenous rights like if you look at the Haida in BC or if you look at the Hawaiian creation myths or the Japanese creation myths you start to get all of this thing with the sea phone and and birth coming out of the waters and out of the ocean you know I'm wondering if there is some kind of deep interconnected matriarchal religion at the heart of all this I was just gonna ask about that what is that connection
Um to the water and the mother and how is that how is that ultimately that great mother coming forward it's almost like you have this special world it's almost like a different breaking of the water the water breaks yeah and it it gets as complex as what you guys were talking about because when you enter the moisture that's when you enter corruption and you enter life but that life is going to have an end it's entering that death is is taking on the moisture but yeah this is one thing I
Think about the like we get the Titanics right where she is the primordial Waters that gives birth to the eggs but what is this water also it's the chaos right it's that primordial Dragon at the same time what's going on wrapped around it right that's quantum physics stuff that's quantum physics if we could understand that we would have that Vision I think that's Adams and void that's what it is it's that it's the it's the it's the separation between atoms and void NYX being the void atoms
Being the seeds get it they were getting that something real scientific they just didn't know what it was and they it turned out they were they're kind of they're kind of correct they said they mapped on they mapped this whole reality through mythology and they were really close to being like exactly spot on well it's very clear to me that if you read these people they don't understand it intrinsically but they do have a concept of the unfolding evolutionary nature of reality you know specifically if you're engaging with the Mysteries they're specifically engaging
This evolutionary like That's essential to the whole cult into the whole process they're trying to perfect themselves over time and they're talking about these cycles of change in Generations right we're looking at Aphrodite and if we go back like Lucan is saying the central factor of her cultist she's in charge of these cycles of creative generation that she puts things into motion that's also how Saturn is described too right notice it's just from a negative factor he's the one who separates right he divides the universe
But it's the same kind of thing it causes these Generations these cycles of time hmm yep fantastic there was a great talkinase thing too red she mentioned the talcinase and their magic uh Power you know they're kind of these um Originators of magic power
Um and um if you know the names you can properly manipulate those talquinas it's an art it's an art if you know the proper names right um this art that you're talking about is ultimately responsible for the oracular
Stuff we see like at Ephesus with asuki kataski right and the Ephesians so I thought that was you bringing up the talking Aces is Right Center wretch I know you're gone but maybe in the future you get that right now that there's some crazy stuff going on there but like I want I was so impressed with your um thing when you were going into that creation myth of the Palazzo games Neil that's like that video I think views already thirty thousand for a couple days well it's one of your best videos and it's one of these things that a lot of
People are not fully aware of that there isn't that there is even an earlier route to all of this Greek mythology and what stuck out to me is that Eros is at the beginning of this myth right and it's funny it's a similar fannies but it's a feminine version can you talk about that yeah you have this primordial goddess her name is wide it's basically like the heavens like wide-ranging uranome
That she's the Heavenly Heavenly primordial mother of everything and she comes she's like NYX because she's the darkness she's the night sky and she plants those eggs those atoms and those atoms get wrapped up by The Serpent and the Big Bang happens because that's what the destruction causes creation and so like this this creation myth and then you get all the planets and you get all this different life forms these Whoever thought of this myth we're really trying to put down lay down a scientific explanation of the cosmos and they were like I said they were really
Close for without having all this technology we have and they're just theorizing this with with the use of Kai Kion or whatever they're doing they were that's so damn close you have a big bang and everything oh I know and like some of this stuff blows one of the things that I just wanted to get it that made me think of is like and there's a dove there exalted Dove right one thing I always think about is how both the orphics and the vedics they always talk about how the universe is a game it's a series of cycles and we need to escape from this
Kind of game-like theater of reality right you notice that all of a sudden Elon Musk comes out and says we all exist in some kind of a simulation that we need to escape doesn't this sound exactly like the the answer Vedic people are saying with the with the orphics are saying like it's nothing new she's a gnostic and um oh yeah and you can see at the end of this the last thing they say is that the serpent bites the heel of the goddess and they had this Everlasting fight this Cosmo Cosmic fight between The Serpent
And the goddess you can see how the Septuagint authors cop Bower from that threw that in there with Eve you know what I mean like you can see the fingerprints are all over it it's crazy
That's that theogony man telling the theogony it's what it is well it's funny that you bring up that biting of the heel because Dion and I recognize now that that is another one of these orphic images this is a drug reference right the the heel is is about the air god when you are threshing the grain all of the grain the purpurea would catch on the ergot heels of the horses then they would take these and they would eat them in order to get stoned so anytime you
See someone getting shot with an arrow in the heel or references to an injuring of the heel this is all drug stuff not to mention the arrow is also poison it's another drug reference yeah don't forget that Arrow originally is a poison covered Arrow that's the word for the poison and the arrow are the exact same thing so they're developing developing these Sciences you guys notice that it's a science right we've got the the construction of the universe right no wonder those no wonder those pre-socratic philosophers are all using
The images that are generated in the myth and I think the reason that that um this surprises us is because we said myth is this thing that it's like Faith Like Christianity but it's for the pagans right not realizing these are [\\h__\\h] thought I'm sorry I didn't mean to curse because this is YouTube forgive me YouTube these These are
Um images that are being brought about organically through the mystery that the oracles are saying this is analog people it's thought experiments that they're using to explain and somehow they come up with Calculus right and people like huh how do you do that at this point they didn't have the instrumentation to do this but oh don't worry worry about it it's thought experiment bro it's no surprise to me that the greatest of the priest pre-socratics heraclitus spent
Half of his life in the temple of Artemis and refuses to leave right like because he saw the Mysteries he saw the truth and that's what it was it was her you know and that's where all of this is coming from all of his ideas about change and how there is no truth all of this massively revolutionary ideas that reverberate across the robe across the globe come out of this Artemis cult that come out of that morning star you know wow and I wonder if the ophiuchus
Constellation because of yukis is is in the same area of the sky as Hercules like you can't they're really connected to each other so this ER he's a serpent Bearer he's standing on the Scorpions he's standing he's getting bit in his foot he's holding a serpent and Hercules is there so it's like is that where this melkart Ashman idea comes out of opioukas and Hercules being in the sky at the same place Standing On Top of serpents right there's so much going on with this with the star right all of this comes
Back to the Morning Star right Venus is the brightest object in the sky besides the moon and the sun right and once every month it's going to line up where the moon and the star are like this where we see them right and every time there's an eclipse the single brightest object that you can recognize is that star and if you follow and you trace that star throughout a course of a year what shape does it make makes a pentagram what's going on here right wow
There's this deep connection to this particular Planet this particular Force that's connecting all of these people across history in time fascinating and it's that force that we hate as evangelicals or Catholics it's that force that we hate that feminine power that feminine is it because it's destructive and they understand that it's destructive is it a part is it because it's nature and we're trying to turn against nature for whatever reason is in the psyches of these priesthoods
And of these Believers it is an anti-venous campaign it's a you know what I honestly I honestly see when you look at the the Christ in Jesus if we take it it's in complete inversion of what we see with the original mystery and what I mean by this is that crises are trying to achieve an apotheosis of himself he's trying to achieve that godhood and he's trying to stop time and trying to reverse and stop all this transformation in this change and Institute a whole new patriarchal
Control system this is what I see unfolding and what the Mysteries is the exact opposite of that right the feminine Mysteries are about are about embracing death embracing change looking for that ionic life engaging in life in the in the struggle Jesus is all about rejecting this struggle rejecting death trying to Institute this masculine patriarchal Authority with that figure of the Jason the Jesus at the center that masculine King right
I just realized that the neck so right next to ophiyukas and Heracles if you go to the east of them you have Arcturus Arcturus and Arcturus is being bit by his heel by the serpent he's getting bit look I'll show you yeah it's right it's right next to Heracles and ophiuchus which is Ashman and uh right next to him you get boots right boots and there's that serpent biting in the heel but boots is boots is called Arcturus that's the con that's the area that's the vert and he's on top of the Virgin
Born of a virgin damn I gotta start looking look at Hercules is right there and there's so much going on with this heel imagery right because of the killings too right Achilles is dipped by his heel twice into the into the magic potion right what's going on dude he's fighting is in that and you got the Virgin there I'm telling you I think a lot of these myths are written by interpreting the sky
I think there's layers of like you have a historical layer and you have your cultic layer then you have your drug layer and then you have your Sky layer and then they put it together and it's like this becomes it comes if you understand like if you look at the Indian philosophy this becomes so apparent so it's in the Indian tradition they have this understanding called Divani which means like an extended metaphor but it's also a way to read a text specifically in Mythic text and it's understood that the text operates
Always at least on three functions okay one you have the text as it's literally meant and they always understood it as a very literal like the literal meaning matters and is important but then you have the metaphoric meaning which is like one level of understanding then he would take it to an even higher greater level of understanding where you're actually engaging with the myth as a living being and you're able to have a conversation with it about what's going on in the present and then they even get
Into all this stuff where each like people don't understand what these ancient peoples are doing with these texts like abhinava Gupta talks about how they're using The Vedas each one of the different cast groups and they're not just the forecasts or many cast groups and they're using them as these memnotic devices so there are thousands of ways to read these texts they're using them to encode information about everything of course they're encoding information about the Stars they're even encoding information about how to do blacksmithing about how to do any kind
Of mundane [\\h__\\h] that they're doing because everything is relating back to these myths you know that's why there's so much more mises going on because those moments those original stories that they're not they're mimising already have those layers already in it so you're just like injecting it with this dense like layers of layers of layers of sacred myth and everyone needs to know that like why the menesis argument is so important you know and like I think your thousand percent right any scholar you have on their talks but that is because like all
Of these people have to memorize these stories in order to do their basic daily lives right because all of these professions and everything is about these memorization and your study is all based around these texts so if you're living in a Greek world you're going to understand the works of Homer they're going to be embedded in every aspect of your life so if you're trying to usurp that authority of that text the best way to do it is through manipulation to just change the song to insert new lyrics to make it a parody right we see this in the Indian tradition they call it
Sanitization what happens is when the the ruling classes of the brahmana people when they Institute this formalization of Sanskrit in their text is the authority what happens everyone else adopts Sanskrit they all write their own Vedas and they say well we have the authority too [\\h__\\h] you you know that's what people do and that's what the Christians did to the Greeks right they're like okay if you're if your stories are ubiquitous and everyone knows them we're going to just invert them right so that people already have
These images in their head we're going to play on what's existing you know yeah when Jesus said it you know when he used the terminology that did it did so for a reason it was already established so yeah Snappy I messed up and I made an appointment that I've got to go meet um I know you wanted to do some discussion afterwards
Um but I've messed up my schedule I've got more classes to teach the rest of this afternoon would you please apologize for for my for me to anybody that wanted to come to that I really apologize but I will get it worked out that from now on the hour that follows this one I will clear that up I apologize amazing no totally understandable Emin and we're going to be winding down here anyway you know because we're coming up to the two hour mark so you know thank you for all uh
For what you've been saying and for what you're bringing and is there any last words you want to add before you head out I think the fact that you provide you're providing a forum where people can talk about these things and can bring it into the modern that to me that's uh you're it's commendable it's the spirit of the museum and thank you for having for allowing me to participate thank you so much Emma it's been a blast and and how about you guys what about
You Naomi anything else you want to add before we're going down this is the Temple of the Muse the museum I agree bringing it bringing it right to the digital age so you know can't ask can't you can't get it anywhere else but right here and how about you rich any last words well just to add to what you guys were saying the pagans were happy to learn from each other and mix it up because they were studying nature and so if somebody can teach them something new
About nature that's a good thing it's not a threat yes notice how how they approach Paul what are strange Notions you bring to our ears let's hear about it and then you tell us in the next Texas and then most of them left you tell us about the deal they're all like oh okay I'm out of here and this is but this is it for that same reason paganism is still applicable to the modern world and and can mesh with science we don't have to believe that there's a flat Earth we can update our
Information as our beliefs as new information comes in so paganism is eternal because it is based on nature and I think paganism has something really important to offer us because even to this day science is very limited in explaining and understanding what happens in the mind but these myths this the the this philosophy this spirituality has the power to help us explain and understand that in a way that we want to use reason and we want to use the tools of science but these things are limited in this Factor you
Know and these kind of images can provide us with Clarity and an understanding that otherwise cannot and this is one of these great paradoxes of life right everything we experience is going to be interpreted in our minds it's going to be experienced through our dreams through our own personal experience yet these are the things that science can't verify for us that science can't even talk about we have to go internal we have to do it ourselves and we can do this with tools like paganism you know
And thank you so much for coming to the witches Symposium please go subscribe to uh Ammon at ladybabylon66 and Neil agnostic informant and thank you all so much and we'll see you next week take care
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