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20260726-Have You Been Initiated？ - History Is Inquiry with Dr. Ammon Hillman @ladybabylon666 #Odysseus

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>> We have been talking about initiation rights [music] before, so um we know it comes from as we can know with the text it comes from Bronze [music] Age and probably before, but we have the text in Greek from Bronze [music] Age and after, isn't it? And we keep having these initiation rights and let's

Let's go a bit forward and let's frame it in classical Greece. So, these initiation rights continue to happen and how we the the this initiation in uh the fifth 10th century BC. >> Yeah. You know, um by the first century the Eleusinian Mysteries have really taken over. And so, they've become the vehicle for diffusion of the right. Whereas it was oracular, you know, throughout his the history of the Greek-speaking world all over the Mediterranean, you can see these rights erupting, um influencing Roman rights. You can see

Romans completely adopting these very same mysteries. It becomes a problem with the Bacchanaelia as you and I, you know, have talked about. Um so remember that these rights are explosive. And it's all part of their nature. By 5th century Athens, their playwrights are characterizing

Their mystery rights as these explosive groups that can come out of nowhere. The Dionysian ecstasy is a part of nature. So it can be inflamed at any time. All you need is the right maenad. That's all you need. It's a feminine priesthood

That says, and I'm telling you, Bruno, it's explicitly states that that female capacity for that orgiastic height, that orgasm, is what distinguishes women as superiors to their inferior male counterparts. So it's a completely different you think, oh is this from Greece? No no no no. This is a philosophy and a religion and a medicine that came to the world from the Black Sea and from these Scythians that you and I have talked about. Yet you still see it when the Romans are having a crazy problem with the women

In the aristocracy recreating Bacchic rites that all of a sudden they've got to prosecute them and execute them. And by the way, the way that they defined they found these women was through their drugs. But this is something that explodes. It's never masculine. So it's a real I think it's one of the biggest mysteries of the mystery. Um why it is that a female physiology is required to elevate the mortals.

>> And um well actually that's that's the the question that that I was going to ask you now. Like how it keep keeps going um how it developed um towards Roman times, I guess. It continued to exist. Well, I understand that it does because of what you were you were just saying. But how these initiation rites will continue. We just talked about the fifth century um like the most known century of ancient

Greece, I guess. And but that would be um an inheritance, I guess, in these ideas of initiation to Roman times or it doesn't. >> You've got to You've got to remember that the initiatory mystery cults

Have already established themselves in Italy in Sicily. You can You can talk about these different priesthoods that are direct mystery cult borrowings. So, this is why you have these, you know, some people would criticize and say it's foreign or it's Eastern. Yet, it is a deeper part of the Italian or the Latin soil than than you and I are willing to admit. They admitted it. Let me give you an example. Um Circe, right? Her Italian influence had to do with She was exiled because one of the local kings she killed and right had to end up with all of her women cuz she's

Primarily um walking around and developing civilization with women. She is this Italian link that is the pharmaceutical link, the religious mystery link that ultimately produces the ancestors of the Romans. They know there's a connection between Circe, this Mycenaean queen, by the way, who rapes Odysseus.

Right? And nobody People read this This is the most confused book of of Homer anywhere. This is from The Odyssey when Odysseus gets captured by Circe. She not only drugs him and he's got an antidote, but um she demands immediately that he have intercourse with her. Nobody ever questions, why is this that it's happening? What is this domination thing with now she's got to have sex with him? Yes, because that is a part of the mechanics. He is one of those unique captives being fed into a Mycenaean

Religion that is this fiery combination of medicine and music and all of these power players. Like people don't realize but the Greek world looked at Odysseus as a magus. People don't People don't realize that. But if you read ancient Greek criticism of Homer or just just scoliast commenting on Homer, you're going to find that people understood the link already. They knew it was in their own literature. They knew it was there. So this whole The Romans are not detached from the mystery at all. And it shows it in their in their

Sanctuaries and in their practice. >> In Roman society you will be engaging with Homer at some point. >> In Roman society you will be influenced thoroughly by Homer to such a degree that your greatest authors, your most popular authors will copy

Homer. Think about it for a minute. We all think of Virgil. Virgil is famous and probably the most famous for his day. And he was immensely popular in his own lifetime. He was considered the Roman poet. And where did he get there? How did he get there? He's writing, you know, Homeric stuff. He basically just kind of says, "Well, I'll just do what Homer did again." Now, he didn't just do it like he's going to steal it. He He studied Homer. And he understood the music of Homer that is then bleeding

Into the Latin that he's sucking into the Latin a powerful powerful influence. So um, the uh and they are very well aware that the main characters that are their heroes in these epics, um, are the users and abusers of the magic that is creating this world that sex trafficking, drug trafficking

Can thrive upon. Yeah, we you need to traffic the drugs if you're going to have rites of christening. Right? You can't just put any sort of normal cream into your eyes. You've got to put the stuff that makes the invisible visible. That's what you need.

So, you know, this is the world they're living in. >> Now, well, I understand the connection do do there with the with the So, I guess it has to do a bit with um if you are initiated, you will you you will understand, I guess >> [laughter] >> what you're talking about. Like, um he was part of Well, let's say in that case like Virgil he was Well, I know about him is like I read the Aeneid. I don't know how to how to say it in in >> The Aeneid, yes.

>> Okay. Aeneid in in Spanish. So, it's a history of I guess like after the Troy war or like it's like some epic for the Romans to have a epic history of their own upbringing or history, I guess.

But when we are saying that he understood the way of doing it, we we are implying that he is at the same time initiated.

>> We're implying that he's educated in Greek. >> So not the same. It's not which is not the same. >> Yeah, whether or not right, which is not the same. Whether or not he's an actual initiate, that's neither here nor there, but a lot of them are. Right? It's not a It's not something you wouldn't admit to. Right? It's not something you keep private. So >> Okay, so so so in the context you will want to you will want to be initiated. It will not be something that it will be

Like in closed doors. I guess. I mean >> Right, right, right. No, it's it's something that you It's a process, right? And it's so deep. I told you it's so deep with the magic and the drugs that even the Aeneid which which speaks about Dido, the great Carthaginian queen.

Dido and the beauty that is there with her relationship with the Aeneas. Right? And you read that book and you thought, "Wow, that's a gorgeous scene." And it's tragic because Dido kills herself. Right? And you don't realize if you read the commentators who are living at the time who are writing Roman commentators, they will tell you They will tell you um Dido is fictional.

Aeneas Virgil grafted Medea

Into his Roman epic and made her Dido. People knew that at the time. They had no Why? Because there's all sorts of linguistic hints to show you the connection. He's doing that on purpose. When Julius Caesar hangs that portrait of Medea in the Temple of Venus, you've got to realize you think that's a mortal with an immortal and you're not supposed to do that. It's not. It's an immortal that you know as Medea, but they knew as Venus Genetrix,

Our founding creator mother.

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In research. Please feel free to scout the different modalities from free member to an Explorer membership or territory Explorer or even a Pathfinder membership where we can co-produce and open a direct contact with the SNS production board to even create new projects and to do what we all love the most, to explore new territories. We're an independent production company and this is part of our organic growth, so we deeply appreciate your support. Thank you all and again, greetings from the crew. >> What is necromancy, Ammon?

>> Necromancy is bringing the music of the daemon that allows you to lead the necroi. That's those that dead. And so in the invisible world that you can't see are the dead. And the dead are controllable.

That you can manipulate the dead. So I can manipulate as a magus like Odysseus, I can manipulate the dead around myself or around you. I can reach out and touch you with the dead. It's the It's the power that is attributed

To the underworld or what they call the hypochthonian

Divinity. That you call it like the king of hell, something like that. It's that type of power and it's still classified as Saturnian. So it's um it's mainstream satanic manipulation. It's like a you know, your banquet course, you want them to be able to bring back the dead. Right? If you're not seeing the dead, you're not Imagine this, you're not going on your initiation. You're not going to the beyond if you're not interacting with those invisible dead spirits. Right? So it's yeah, it's really a process

Um that the mystery relies upon. >> Mhm. And Alan um just um because of this concept that you mentioned more than once in the conversation, when you say Saturnian, uh I know it's probably a big topic, but um what do you mean when you say Saturnian?

>> Yeah. The powers of the Eon queen are Saturnian. So So is the Cronian on the Greek side.

Planted in the soil of the sickles of the native tribes in Sicily and Italy. Um it's that when you plant the mystery in that soil, that's the form that you get. So, um it really is I mean I've strayed from your question, but it really is the potential in nature. One thing I don't think that I'm communicating that they

Were interested in and thought about and propagated within their religious practice is this manipulation of the what you and I would just call the laws of nature. Um that is what they're doing in order to create a world that is controlled

Or written, let's say, written by an author. You have to be able to bend the rules of nature. It's unnatural in its essence. The only way to do this is with the seeds of fire. And it's not just the religious cults that are working on the seeds of fire, so are the so are the philosophers. Because if you can understand the basic elements of the universe, you can control

The universe. Because the universe is just a cosmos. It's an order. So, >> Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Um

So, as um before to connect it with uh the whole conversation, the I was asking you about necromancy. And before we were talking about the um other side or this different reality. Um what is the connection with the I mean when when we talk about necromancy and um be able to connect with this with the death with the dead um um

We're we are connecting with this same realm or I don't know how to call it, you know. I mean, I'm trying to see if in in text the connection of this other side, this our tools will have this connection with the the the the practice of necromancy. That would be >> Perfect question, Bruno. Perfect question cuz you mentioned Virgil. Virgil does this, right? He uses the sibyl. Right? We've got an entire book. Why does he do this? To connect us with the dead because Homer does this.

Homer does the very same thing. The scholars of classical philology like to call it the Nekuia. So, it's specifically the book of the Odyssey that has to do with Odysseus's transgression of the invisible, his ability to make visual or visible. How do they describe it? Exposed to the rays of Helios.

All right. Remember when Jesus is transformed? Right. What does it say he's transformed when he's on the mountain? It says he's transformed into Helios.

That is the power of the visible manifestation. The visible manifestation. And it's only possible through the rays of Helios. The Mithraics understood this. It's kind of what they balanced their whole [\\h__\\h] cult on.

And that's what's going on is we're making visible that invisible. So, yeah. Gorgeous. >> So, the idea of necromancy is um a different discipline. There's a form of doing necromancy which is different from what they were doing um

Before. But they are engaging with the same orators. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Odysseus is doing it through [snorts] an exercise taught to him by Circe. Aeneas is doing it through an actual Sibyl, a priestess

Herself, who takes him across the void. Right? Odysseus goes there himself by the power that Circe showed him. They both end up in the same place. It's a place of making that dead

Visible. And why would you want to do this in both cases? Why are these people doing this? You seriously, you got to talk to your dead grandmother? Why do you need to talk to your dead grandmother? Because it's been shown

Your dead grandmother knows everything. Wait, wait, so your dead ancestors are a source of limitless knowledge? Yes.

Your dead ancestors then become the tools that you can use to manipulate your visible reality around you. There's a reason that people really don't understand that Jesus is chasing around demons. Right? He's specifically binding these forces, these invisible forces, because he's been Christed.

And he knows the >> So he can see him he can see them. >> Exactly. >> And he can talk have information from them. >> Correct. >> And the oracle was doing the same. >> Correct. It's just physics. >> So there is a place that we are engaging with through time. >> Yes. >> With different names. >> Yes. >> And disciplines. >> Right. >> Mhm. >> And there are a lot of people through time who have spent their lives attempting to explain and explore and illustrate that world. The Greek magical

Papyri are is just full of these descriptions of the invisible and how the people interact with it. The physics is so established that I as a priest, can tell you, who's a new person who's about to be initiated, right? I can give you the vision that you will encounter. I can tell you who you will see and what they will say. I can tell you how to interact with them. I can give you the magic language to manipulate them. There's this funny phenomenon that you see in the PGM, that once you've broken through to that invisible realm,

The powers that be there are immediately hostile. They have to be controlled. And the way to control them is with this music/language.

You can switch off these gods. It's described as they will see you, become immediately hostile, and they can kill you. So, what you have to do is switch the polarity so that they recognize you as not a foreign object, but as one of them. It's the weirdest physics, and I don't know how psychologically the person is dealing with this because you fed this this like in in the case of the mystery liturgy, you fed this child these images

That she will take with her on this journey. So, how is that affecting her as she lays there in what appears to you and me as a coma? What is it that's going on here with her? That, you know, is she then going to successfully employ those images that have been trained into her in order to navigate the space? Remember, But not If you're a monist, it's not just a pagan thing. Paul the Apostle is a traveler

Into the oratos, into the invisible, and he describes it in detail, right? As if he is outside of his own body. As if he is traveling dimensionally. So, this is not something that just pagans are doing. >> And I'm on um Well, I bet connected with what you were saying. Um [snorts] So, they were engaging with something that was not random. Cuz um

If you can have a like a protocol, I guess, they they they they they had. So, there is in the text, in the evidence, that is like some kind of entities or arcons, I don't know how to name them, or or or the concept of it. There is something that we can relate as um entity which is in the other side or something. Do you have something like that in text?

>> Yeah, they're uh they're all over the place. Oh my god, there's all like you can Okay, let's just do pole lords. You know, what is a pole lord? Well, first of all, what is a pole? That's a Greek word. Right? If you think of a globe, you can think of the two poles. Okay, that's pretty That's pretty easy for us to understand, but it's talking about the invisible cosmos, the invisible architecture.

So, there are \\{{}quote} \\{{}unquote} pole lords that will control the transit of your consciousness.

These pole lords have to be manipulated. Just like all of these Oh god, there are divinities that will appear once you have, for example, opened a gate. >> [laughter] >> You're like, "What?" Once you have constructed a portal, this entity will approach you. And this is what you're telling the girl who's going to go through this, right? And what you do is you repeat this expression,

And then that entity will recognize you. And sometimes these entities are things like Tii Kay. The virgins. Wait, what? There are virgins coming out Who is writing this? The funny thing is is you can take a thousand people, you can train them in the same way, and they will have the same experience. People think that a hallucinatory experience is individual.

It's not just individual, it's group. You can create an architecture and then operate within that architecture in the right. So, in other words, you can send somebody in on a mission, and that mission can be to acquire data from the future

In order to bring it back, and then manipulate the timeline. It's the weirdest It's like, "Dude, what Are these people crazy? Is there something How can you get to the point that your visions are that universal that you can have a thousand people seeing the same what you would call you and I would call hallucination. >> And the this this this information that this person will bring um this person will have to be um uh engaging with an entity or or or with what?

>> What is the seed of fire and why are they so interested in it? I mean, it literally is like fuel. So, when you see depictions of Eros, the arrows are flaming. They have they contain the flux.

It's like a it's like a spintharis. It's like a spark that can ignite the invisible ether. And that's how you bring the lightning. You make all of this stuff visible with the lightning. Um when you take the sacred and make it profane, you create an imbalance in between the invisible and the invisible that creates backlash that brings lightning and that's destruction.

And so, this physics is what they're plugging into these rights where Let me Let me just say this. Imagine a right where you have 5,000 people. These people have come to you and they have been fasting, they have been practicing their songs, they've been packing these images into their heads. >> [snorts] >> And they are at a point where they can now be initiated.

You are going to give them all the same vision. And what is it particularly historically outside of Athens? It's the image of the queen of the damned. The queen of hell herself who is resurrected. And it is not It is the It is the single image that every initiate is allowed to divulge

To people who are not initiated. What did you see at the great rites? What did you see? I saw her. You're allowed to talk about her. I saw her. Right? And the art parallels

This vision, this mystic vision. So, it's almost as if the artists are pulling out the scientific details that the priesthood is revealing. They're performing The priesthood is performing the right. They're inducing the what you and I call a hallucination, what they would say is the making visible of the invisible. And they would induce this mass hallucination that has an effect. The image itself of her has an effect change the person for the positive.

So, yeah. >> Mhm. So, So, well, I I I'll um I would just keep just to ask the question um because I understand that when I ask you about entities, well, this was the answer. But so there is um if you go if we we go further in time Like, going

Um after this idea of this that that this right um I get the vibe that it was very um well performed because he was having the same um outcome or we have a protocol to do it and all of that. But, I guess this continues in time and and and and we have this all of these ideas like it probably is modern ideas like these entities you encounter in the other side and you have, you know, it's it's it's like a kind of um uh fascination to know about

Who are these Who are these guys, man? Who are these is the Archons? Is the freaking You know what I mean? >> That's a perfect That's a perfect word you just said, fascination. From the Latin fascinum, which is that daemon of the phallus, the the erect phallus that you point in somebody's face, that priapic image. Um again from nature, right? This is a natural thing. You don't have to be certain race or ethnicity. >> Please elaborate. >> Yeah, right. That's the power that you're calling on,

That priapic magic. Right? There's There's a reason that the right is sexual. There's a reason that it has to do with drugs. There's a reason that the magic is centered in this erection. The and it's not what you think. It's a It's not Remember, this is designed by women, not men. And in the temple is always this phallus. That phallus becomes the the um

Potent wand that's part of the magus's right. Yeah, where were we going? There was something beautiful I just missed there. Um actually >> sorry. I also was going like just going with the entities, you know. Cuz everybody's like fascination. I just said fascination and yeah, we went into some other place, but but you have to understand I'm I'm in but just a a small thing like the whole thing about entities is like what I what what, you know, we're all about fascinated about it like is this other place and there's

Entities, Archons, like cuz it's different if you say you go to the sea and you can feel something in the ocean and you will feel that you have some kind of thing, you know. But it's different if you think you're going to talk with a woman or the dude is going to appear, so obviously, you know, you know what I mean? Sounds like very stupid when I say it, but >> [laughter] >> but you know what I mean? >> No, right right. A good question that you're bringing up is why is why are

These images so frightening? Right? What Remember these are the people who wear the aegis. And the aegis is the head of that decapitated virgin that is supposed to turn you to stone. Right? Think of those images. Those are all the images that we use when we enter the invisible.

Right? Those are the logoi. Those are the reasoned proportions of the universe. And if I understood music better, that would make sense to me musically, but I don't understand it. And so, um this is the kind of, you know, this is the kind of reasoning. Now, those invisible entities,

Yes, you should you Excuse me. You should be able You should be able to manipulate those. Right? That's what they do. That's what the whole rites are for. If you didn't, you wouldn't need to be trained. So, the question is, there's a lot of stuff in there about the sexual magic. There's a reason the phallus is there in the middle of the temple. There's a reason that that, you know, people might say sexual energy, that John Chrysostomus calls satanic

Energy or Saturnian energy. Um that can be used. So, you should be able by the powers of manipulation, right? You should be able to stand in front of her and to induce the song in her. A true magus

Is dangerous because he can come into the presence of her and she can spontaneously

Reach the height of the orgiastic rite. It's a danger. Right? It's What is it? It's divine power. It's what the sons of God must keep from the daughters of men, or you end up getting giants. So, it's a It's gorgeous uh magic. It's It's very nice magic, and it boggles my mind, pronoun, when people look at it, they think all of this stuff is not interrelated, but it is. Their spirituality, their medicine, um their physicality, their music. Imagine, one more time I'm going to say, there is a type of music that is sexual

Intercourse. You didn't realize that when you're having intercourse, that it is a musical act. So, that's, you know, it's a different way of thinking about the world. And it makes sense that there are people like Circe who develop things,

Develop drugs and use them on people in order to gain a certain vision of of the world. >> So, when when when we go farther and we go to times of Christianity, not Christianity even, before when the sect the Christian sects are um operating.

Um, and we want to keep following the um the Aoratos. In times of Christian uh ideas, uh um this continue to happen. What is the relationship with the Christian sects sect or sects uh with um with these Aoratos? Are they engaging with that? Is part of their their their ideas, religion?

>> Yeah, that That's a brilliant question. And I can only tell you what I've seen that has the same language of the ancient mystery. And that's a couple of examples. One um is the uh um

During Vlad the Impaler's yeah, um rule, there is a prince who is following him and writing Orphic poetry. It's one example that uses ritual and ritual terminology through the Latin. So, um was Marullus this guy's name is Marullus. Was he aware of the right um he wrote about it. So, I think it's only you know, um given that he at least had knowledge of what they did in antiquity if it didn't apply to what he was actually practicing. But, the Crusaders

The Crusaders with the Templars they were doing the same thing. The accusations against them were all the same thing. And the purple stains in their underpants all all of that and the taint and the licking of the taints and the licking of the penis head all of that passing the purple between the Templars.

Raising up the head of Baphomet which Metis is the Etruscan title for Medea. Right? So, that baptism of the Metis of the Mede Wanessa is in the very name of the [\\h__\\h] head that they were carrying around that they said they dug out of the Temple of Jerusalem. So, um are they doing things that are mimicking the rights? Yeah, they are. The other one is witches. You can read in the witch trials and you can see the pagan mystery elements in the witch trials and strangely enough the sexual element

Remains strong. In addition to the drugs, the sex and drug connection is strong so that you see these \\{{}quote} witches who are performing these \\{{}quote} satanic acts that are enabling them to do things like go to the witches banquet. And if you've never been to the witches banquet, it's the same place that Arthur was taken when he was injured in battle, some say killed, and then resurrected by the local Morgan, the local witch that was the adjunct of Satan himself. So, he >> [music] >> um the right is directly reflected in the language once again. So, those are three examples, yeah. >> Well, amazing examples.