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20260526-Reading Course Episode 1 - Odysseus and the Virgin

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Okay, let's get started. Meline, are you there?

>> Fantastic. So, I know Josh is going to join us in a bit. Apologize about the technical glitch. Let's get moving on with class, shall we? How are you doing, Maddie? >> I'm all right. Hanging in there? >> Okay. Fantastic. I hate using Maddie. It sounds so informal. Maline. >> Yeah, I prefer Malina. I'm sorry. >> No, no, no. I just hear other people using it, so it's just >> for me to use it. Okay. Um, let's get moving a little bit. Now, we're going to do this the same way every class so that you know exactly what to expect, right?

We're going to start our workout with a little bit of warm up and then we're going to go from that into the text that I assigned for today. Can I ask you, did you get through the text? >> I did. I didn't I think I read most of 11, but I read uh book six and uh 10, too. So >> Oh, fantastic. So, you did your English portion. Fantastic. >> And I did the translation for 274 to 280. So, >> good. Good. How was that? How How was the 274 to 280? Now, don't be afraid to say it was difficult or it was foreign

Or you know. >> Yeah. Um it was hard at first. There were a couple words like I mean that I could pick out that I understood what they were like quite a few. I would say like 60% of the words I I knew. But um piecing them all together is always a challenge and figuring out what's going on um too. So yeah,

>> And your um first exposure to Greek should I mean to Homer should be like that. >> Yeah, exactly. >> That's that's totally uh normal. As a matter of fact, if you're picking out 50% you're doing pretty good. And we're going to have to play with some fluid grammar here. And we're going to have to really see. Look, prepositions are going to take on a life of their own in Homer and they become kind of roving and more powerful than they normally are. So, yeah. Good. Okay. Good. We'll look at that and we'll talk about the English

That you read. Those are all like parts of the workout. But what we're going to start with are these words. Julie, I'm screen sharing. Correct.

Malina, I want you just to look at the screen and I want to hear your voice. These are the top words from the Odyssey tonight instead of it was the Iliad the night before. >> And I just want you to read through this list. When you get to the bottom of it, I'll just scroll up, but I want you to hear hear you pronounce the Greek and tell me what the English is. Like you're doing a vocabulary list. >> Okay, great. Oh, the kai

And also they but host who that which or relative pronoun amy to be altos

Um self or third third person pronoun. >> Yeah, that third person pronoun, right? He she it or they. Right. Good. Good. >> Yeah. Htos this that men on the one hand or on the other hand. T and in among um ego I

Not a into

Anyone anything someone g for as how you epon

With um rose from atnear

In addition to toward regarding >> okay stop there for a second stop there for a second so you can see um the overwhelming majority of those you've had >> again the common >> the common vocabulary right so have you have you been going over this this kind of list did you hit this too >> okay so have you noticed that the first you know you'll get into it. Look, I'm scrolling down. We're still only to ditto me, right? >> Ditto me. Yeah. >> Right. Apon, right? To say something,

Right? Good. >> It's so hard, too, with all their forms. All the forms they take on. So, >> of course. Of course. We're v We're just vocab packing, though. Yeah, >> keep your am I am and your ammy distinct because the ammy is to go or come and the a me is to be. >> Oh yeah, you're going to see a No, this is common. I mean, you're supposed to I'm supposed to be emphasizing these things. You're going to be adding prefixes, Maline, to this a me to go or come. So don't be surprised if you only

See it, you know, with a prefix on it. But okay. Um, you know these words, coacos, you know that's bad. You know polomos, right? Let me just skip ahead a little bit so you can do some stuff >> here. Um, we may get Okay, here's we're starting to get some new ones. Why don't you start here at Apolloco

To die or be killed? I haven't heard that one yet. really >> good. >> Um Maine, uh now verily full surely post how in what way? >> Um host >> that's the that's that indefinite right. It's somebody some some person right is going to whoever hostess whoever you know you know Daios right >> dyios. Yeah. Good. >> Justice. Yeah. Justice. >> Yeah. You know that. See, there's one here. Look, here's a common one. See that?

>> Yeah. Notice that it's middle looking, right? Middle passive looking. And um it means to use something, right? So, think about it. That's got to be middle. That's got to be middle. One of the things I I asked you to do was go over >> um when you in your daily regimen to spend like 15 minutes looking at the grammar sometime when you get a chance. I want you to look at middle voice in Homer in that home grammar and just it may it may help you kind of unlock some

Things that you you know that you need to have unlocked. Look at >> oa right to be like >> and it's impersonal right how god used that way a lotus direct they say right

>> Yeah good >> aus >> a yeah >> yeah good look look what you're doing you're playing with roots right

>> Good good men know you know that want to wait around, right? Um, appos is a word we've done here. Mahi, you know, mah is about. >> Yeah, >> for goodness sakes. Okay, here. Look, here's another. We had

My before, right? >> We got to proclaim an oracle. >> I like that. >> Yeah. Nice, huh? Right. Love it. Let's take a closer look at that one here. Um, hopefully you still got my screen. I'm trying to go to the LSJ. Boom. >> I see it. >> See,

There we go. >> Boom. Right. This is B form because there's another. Um, let's look at this one in number one of the gods and their oracles. That's how it's used actively. So to proclaim proclaim Feebis is proclaiming, right?

That's the god of the oracle. So that makes sense, right? Feebas. Anyway, um, oh god. So you can have one of these things be an actual oracle. This is our word for creating the oracle. So look,

Passively to be declared, something proclaimed by an oracle. See how special it is that they have a verb itself that is just the the the thing that the oracle does, right? >> Is this is this the same route as the the inquiry then?

>> Um histo >> Oh, histori.

So, okay, look what happened. We looked at my before, right? That's the in the middle voice. So, let's look at here in in the attic. You'll see that it's look at that. You bastards, right? That's how we that's how we would learn it, right? Okay. I just want you to be noticing that kind of stuff for fun. I don't want you to be trying to memorize any of this, right? Okay. Where are we going? Um to desire to yearn after and it takes a genative in that middle. Wait

A minute. Well, I thought we were on the proclaim oracles. We are. Okay. Look at They give you a hint here. They say furnish. So to to oracalize, to declare, to furnish something. And they say it was coming from.

So I just want you to see what happened here. Well, look at Do you see the It's a mi verb. >> Yeah. >> And and it looks like it's reduplicated. Now you're going to say, "Well, that kappa and that he aren't the same, but you know, really, they kind of are. So, so mouthwise."

And so, okay, fine. It's a it's a reduplication. Look, they give you some other forms. It's rarely,

Right? I want you to see what's happening with the which if you go there, they're just going to talk about stuff. Um my in the middle. And what does that mean?

To desire to yearn after. That's interesting. To be in want of something to lack. >> You're in a position of want, right? With the dative in number three with the dative and the perfect and pler, it can mean to enjoy, right? To take really to take part in maybe, right? And again, once you see this in different context, you'll kind of you'll build your own definition. But I want you to be able to see how all this stuff. Now, use you're going to see it used this time this way all the time,

Right? Once in Homer. So, you can see that it's not as homeriic there. Fantastic. To experience, to suffer. This is all the same verb, right people? But look at how much look at the history of this verb and by people I mean you Melina is Josh around. >> Fantastic. Josh, how are you? >> I'm good. I'm just caught up in this restaurant at the moment. I'm delivering something but I'm listening. >> Okay. You just hang out in the background there. Fantastic. So, Malena,

I want you to continue for a couple of minutes on this list. And I'm going to I'm going to scroll down because I want you to do some words that are, you know, go ahead and start this one with dado at the top. >> Do fear

Thr an encamped army. Hoplon a tool weapon

Hiki to come. >> Yeah, that one is really common in Homer. >> Yeah, >> right. It's it's technically from a hiki, but whatever. Um Homer uses it in this form without the you know metrically it must not suit his taste or whatever. But anyway, go ahead. What's >> hash? So in this wise >> in this wise is a weird way to say that >> a mountain or hill s body >> no

Mind. >> How many words >> how many words have we had for mind or >> understanding? Yeah, look there's a ton of them. This is where we're getting the news from. Right. Look in Homer. The omccron omccron doesn't contract.

They're perfectly fine with no. Yeah. >> No. Okay. Um, we want to say noose, man. Come on. That sounds a little bit rough. Is there a dam? Oh god. Genos. What is your ginos? >> What is your ginos? Uh, race family stock.

>> Yeah. >> Do we have this anymore? I I don't know if I have a >> stock. Really? Yeah. >> Right. I guess I'm homo for genus, right? Homo sapiens. But, >> right, we're all, you know, hommin. We're all people. But, um, >> yeah, we know Oxios is worthy. We know Zos to live. Oh, god damn it. They They're They're not giving me new stuff. Look at that. Trapo. There's a good one. How's that? >> Trapo. Yeah. To turn >> to turn. Yeah. Remember that. Turning

Towards somebody. They did some love it. What is >> out >> again? >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's just and >> those two can be separated, right? You just get that meaning again. But anyway, you know the next one. Yeah. Hudor. Yeah. Sun. >> Uhhuh. >> Water.

>> Empty. I don't know that one yet. >> Yeah. You know, pedon though. That's a plane. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> Elano, here's a good verb. Here's a good verb. Look what it means to drive. >> To really, it can mean like to compel or push. >> Okay. Right. They say to set in motion, right? Um, think of to drive and to set in motion. It's like what's that if it's one concept, right? That's what elo is. And again, you're just going to have to see it used.

>> Um, ailos. There's luo. God, we know lu aist

>> Is a revolt right in the middle. >> Yeah, >> you're you're committing a revolt. Oh, there's our word. [\\h__\\h] You know the next one? >> Onox. >> Yes. Oh god. And there's that gorgeous invisible dam on the front of it. And if you were to pronounce it >> there you go. >> Perfect. Perfect. Um dolma. What is a dolma? >> A house. I saw that one today. >> Good. Um now when when you say house, what do you mean by house? Like what picture do you get in your head?

Well, just from the word I get like dome, but >> but what kind of like like give me a picture. If you were to have to paint the house that you're looking at, what would it look like?

>> Like a I don't know something like a enclosure or a temple something like that. Would you want to go there with your friends for an an evening of dinner or is this a [\\h__\\h] cottage? >> I don't know. >> You know what I mean? >> I have no idea. >> Wasn't there's another word for house, too, right? >> Oh, of course. And there's things for household and like how your house is working. What is the actual doma in >> I thought it was hall too.

>> Yeah, this is a big one, right? The delma is a serious one. And in uh the odyssey that we're about to see where you saw it in the passage, you may think more like instead of a house. Most of us don't live in you. You you would either think mansion or you would think palace,

Right? This is a big this is a big She's not living in a [\\h__\\h] cottage, right?

This you'll learn you'll learn all of this stuff from context man reading because he talks about the stones baby talks about the stones house right it's mainly poetic but once in heritis blah blah blah blah chief room look they say hall

Right so you're thinking of a bigger thing than just like a a doicile side. So that can throw you off in English when they say house from demo people in by that I mean Josh and Meline look people what is demo

>> To build >> construction to build a verb >> yeah look so look where you're coming from this is the perspective when you talk about they've got in the third line teos Right. Ed Don, they built the walls,

People. Those are the ancient walls, right people? He built him houses.

He built houses, right? Those are houses like you and I would live in if we were living in a house. She is living in a [\\h__\\h] castle. Don't make any Don't This is something >> as a goddess would, >> right? It's a construction pro. I mean, she brought all her people with her when they exiled her. Remember, she's here um Cersei is here because she was exiled after killing her husband, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Who's the king? It's not like he was, you know, it's not one of us. This is the guy who runs the province. And what

Does she do? She poisons him to death. Prepo, he probably deserved it and took all of her people with her. And so they have construction that is amazing. Let's go from the vocabulary now to the passage that I assigned, which is going to be not here, Chewy. I didn't put it. Come here. I didn't put it. Um, it's in this. I want to use this as an overhead. And I'm sorry to keep there. This one, right? That one right there that's on the screen. Melina, I made a nice

Version of this. You too, Josh. >> I'm watching. >> Fantastic. So, Melena will make go first. But as Barry Pow as Barry Powell used to force all of his Homer people, I want you to read it. >> And I am not going to ask you to reproduce the meter. >> Okay, cool. >> But I just want you to read it. But I what I want you to do is I want you to stop at the end of every line. Regardless of whether or not it has a some kind of punctuation, I want you to stop there like they're verses of a

Song. You know what I mean? Just in your head. I want you to get it. So, just let's hear it all the let's see the first three lines. >> Okay.

Good. And it's at this point that Barry Powell types in and tells Tom, the modern Greek who is in our graduate program to stop using his modern Greek pronunciation. Right. Um, you're I'm gonna I'm going to say bravo and I want you to I keep needing to hear the oral um in her

And again, I'm going to pronounce the freaking um

Subscript because the best people do. Prod.

Now listen to all those vowels that are in that. Imagine musically what what this is doing. Ne a >> ne a right ne a ne a and the pitch is on e. So this is this one's musically. Do you recognize that word?

>> It's like the old version of it. >> Yeah. Now look what Homer's doing. Homer is lengthening the vowel because we're going to see in the attic it's n a with an alpha anas. Right. That's how they're going to pronounce it. He's going to lengthen those vowels. Right. >> Right. Fantastic. I just want you to notice that nice dative there. And why are they dative? Because of course it's going to be taking a datative run. It's similar to a anas. Oh, great. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm getting ahead. You're the one doing

This, not me. But I want you to notice on the next line down when you get to the final word, it's he Oh, we have a he with us, right? What is that's very specific aid stuff people. And by the way, he is the gorgeous. >> Isn't that like >> she's the goddess. >> Oh, >> did you know that? >> No. >> Oh, god. >> I just thought it was like youthfulness.

>> Yeah. Well, it is. It is. But um youthfulness is an invisible entity named Heei. And Heave is the one that ends up with Pericles. Correct. Do you understand? >> Oh, yeah. >> Why? Right. Why? If you're going to have to think about it, I hope you read book six, right? You're going to get all of this. Okay. Um,

Yeah. Why don't Melina, you start and translate for us here and take your time. >> All right. I I'll try. Um

So, uh so so speaking, um

Uh I went up next to the ship and to the sea. >> Okay, stop right there. Good. Good. Hapon. Yeah. Speaking like this. What happened on Aon? Right. I disembarked paranos from that ship. Right. I'm getting out of a and I'm getting out of that sea. Yeah. I want you to see >> out of Okay. >> Nos. Right. Naos. Um, I want you to realize both of you Josh, any idea what the nominative because that's a genative form. Any idea what the nominative of naos is?

>> Oh [\\h__\\h] Are you driving? >> Oh god. Josh, are you driving? Just drive and listen. For [\\h__\\h] sake. Don't get into an accident because you're trying to check. Great. Okay, I'm going to refer to I'm going to let you listen. I'm going to refer to Malina. Malina, what do you any guesses on what the nominative of Naos is? >> Um,

Not off the top of my head right this second. >> Yes. See, this is the skill. This is the skill we develop. >> Yeah, >> right. What would it be in our attic tongue? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's stuff like this that's like, yeah, I knew that already. Good gas, Josh. Good guess. We've got nouse. He does. >> So, it's gonna it's Look what we do to the vowels. Now, remember how I told you the um vowels are tuners, right? That the attic is not just a type of dialect.

It is a sound. And when you're speaking the attic dialect and you hear the Doric dialect from those [\\h__\\h] hillbilly Spartan [\\h__\\h] you can't understand it because their music is crap, right? So when you go from no to now, you're doing it for musical reasons. And I think people I think people need to need to realize that. Look at this. Net S alone equals 3.

What is say a race? Look, it's a tri right now. You're getting into ship stuff. Unfortunately, in Homer, you're going to find a lot of ships because these people are obsessed with [\\h__\\h] boats, man. They're living on islands in the middle of the the Chian, you know what I mean? And they're like, "Dude, we have to we have to have boats." Notice that they give you in the LSJ here. You, you know, click on Nouse, right? Go see Nouse,

Right? Okay. Oh god, this is gorgeous. Look at the attic genative there. Oh, that's funny. An ion. That's interesting. Anyh who, you'll get lost in that. Let's not. Let's go back to the passage. And now, okay, so you ate this little speech and got out of the boat. Good. I'll go give me the next line.

>> Okay. So, let's see. Um, >> and take your time. You don't care that people are watching. You don't [\\h__\\h] care that I'm here. Just take your time. We're We're This is training, >> right? Okay. Okay. So, give that second line a shot. >> So, let's see here.

Um but then when um I was intending or about to >> good >> go through the holy wilderness or terrain what or um or or veil I guess was >> the word that they used like what is a veil? Yeah. Yeah. Going making my way across that bas.

And I want you to notice. Yeah. What is that? Basos. Some kind of >> double sigma, >> you know. Exactly. Notice that it's got a double sigma in it. Okay. This is an old masonian word. Just like wanasa is an old masonian word. You're not going to see this right in a lot of later stuff. It's a woods woods that are here at us, the holy woods. Uhoh. On on his way, right? He's about He's going there. He's about to He says th in line three,

Ace mega. He's about to go to that what? How would you translate me?

>> House it looks like >> right. Yeah. Um thank more instead of just big here for meas right here it's mega for meas mega me. It's I want you to thank um um great

Great when you go to Thomas Jefferson's Montichello, right? That would be a mega dma. >> Like so it'd be like mega not as in size but mega as in like power. >> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Its stones are cut perfectly. It's built as a palace, a place to radiate power. This is the queen and she has built a palace

Um with all of her people that she brought with her into exile. Isn't that gorgeous? Oh god. So um and the descriptions um the descriptions of these bronze age

Cyclopian. They call them cyclopian buildings where they're using stone that is huge, right? It's got to be cut out by cyclopes, right? It's huge. It's a cyclopian labor. Yet their their um artists are able their builders are able to get it so it looks seamless, right? It looks seamless, right? Oh god, the descriptions of these things are awesome. But what is Homer influ um focusing on here? You're coming to that mega doma and then give me the genatives. Kirk puluaku

Kirk Olaraku. We can't hear you. I think you're muted. >> Sorry. Um we're at uh her poly pharmacy, right? >> So where we're at. >> Uhhuh. >> Many drugs. >> Yeah. >> Um Yeah. It came out of herself.

>> Yeah. >> Or out of Let's do this. Let's do this. Look online too. Alort Emlon. Right. when I was about to he thy on the next line. Real remember one thing that should be blowing your mind right now is word order is totally irrelevant.

>> Okay. >> That second word which is an infinitive on that third line that should be that should be in the second line. In any pros we're going to see that. Now here with Homer, it's all the way on the second line. Look, Kirk is in the genative and puaku is in the genative. Those are with each other, but they're separated by a verb that just got pllopped in between them. It's got nothing to do with that verb, right? Those are a unit together. This is the genative expressed with ace mega which

Comes at the end to the great house of Cersei who is the par poly pharmaceutical right when I was about to go to the great palace of Cersei the fall the poly pharmaceutical making my way through that holy woods whatever

Ina Ah, thin. Now, what happens? Give me the next line. Sorry. You read it. It's I'm sorry. I'm too excited. Shut up. Tell me to shut up. You do it. Ina.

Um. So. Oh. Uh.

Um. So there Hermes

Was or was throwing against or casting um his golden stick or or wand at me or to me. >> Oh god. >> I don't know. It's suddenly we suddenly went to some homoerotic thing going on. What's what? Let's Okay, stop right there. Now, before we do anything, I want you to look at that ina. Right. And by the way, um when you start out reading, you and I are going to be on the same horse for a while. Do you understand? And when I feel like I can

Jump off the horse, I'm going to do so. Intha. Look at inth on line four. You see inth you want to say there. Ina is also temporal. And I am using it temporally because of the hot that comes that sets it up in the line before he's already getting look. It was at this point really the ought to right when I was making my way through all that herbage

That holy herbage the holy woods when I was going to the great house of Cersei the poly pharmaceutical in tha then right right where I was you see how you're going to ask well is it then or is it there yes

In tha is telling you at that point right at that point it can be a location

That's your subject is the one with the golden

Radon you say but it says rapis here. Yes that's an older form of radon. Don't be surprised that your p can become a beta. And it's just it's just golden. It's the golden wand. The golden wanded Hermes. What are you talking What kind of words do we have? We had the polyfarmaceutical in line three. And now we've got the golden wanded.

These are epithets. They are using in the language epithets. What is an epithet? It's a word that goes with your name to describe you. So polyfarmaceutical Cersei and Golden Wanded Hermes.

He's the subject. Golden Wanted Hermes did what? Only he ran into. You can think of that as ran into >> encounter. Yeah. Encounter. Ran into something like that. I thought it was more like casting or like throwing against something. >> Well, you're working with the root roots, right? But as you're doing so, you've got to realize, okay, where does that take the mind, >> right? Casting in front of, >> right? Running into meeting. It's the same. You're in the same. You're doing it right. You're just, it just is not

Sounding right in English. He's running into. And now this is going to take a dative. So where's the [\\h__\\h] dative that that's going who is we he running into this Hermes golden wand is he running into? Go all the way back to the second word moy. There's your data for me. See how your word order you're trying to use your English word order and you're going to you have to untrain yourself to do that in Homer. Homer will kick your ass because look that moy goes all the way with the verb at the end.

How are you going to know that if you're not jumbling, right? You're focusing on ideas, Melina. Like what the hell is aora piece? What is somebody with a golden wand? And what is this guy Hermes gonna do with it? Okay, now look at the next line that's starting. Now this first word

That's your dative and that dative is hearkening back to the moy to the me. What >> coming to me >> almost almost he ran into meo

>> Coming >> coming toward the house. >> Yes. Good. See how that see how that works? >> Yeah. >> Right. We use that dative there to describe what the moy is doing coming to the house. Good. Now he's going to use this is a phrase that stands independent. It stands on its own. Right.

Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. How would you translate that? Um, so a a boy that's like a man >> almost. >> Yeah, I couldn't figure that one out. >> Okay. >> The sounded >> Josh, do you want to give it a shot? >> Uh, yeah. So, isn't the echo the aos um it's like a resemblance, right? having a resemblance too. Yes. >> So like Hermes, he takes different forms. So like this uh naania

Uh Andre. So it's like a literally youthful body person uh form. Youthful body person form. >> Yeah. Youthful dude, right? Youthful male. Youthful male. And that he or is really is excuse me um it really is functioning there as a perfect participle right having taken on the form or looking like appearing like

In that home in that >> looking like a boy. >> Yeah. Looking like a boy. A a boy dude. Right. A young >> like a young man. >> Right. Now, if you want to, and by the way, this solves for for the people, the representatives of the brothel who were here tonight, right? Frustratedly trying to read this homeic Greek along with us, right, to prove something to those people. I want you to see that this is a definition of what a naanas is. Remember, we're talking about a naanos

In the garden that is a dimminionative of the naanas. Now, what is a naanas? It's defined. >> It's defined with the very next two words. Proton.

Yeah. What does he What does he have that gives us the sign of his age? He's got that fuzzy [\\h__\\h] on his chin that every pubescent boy gets. It's his first beard.

>> Wow. >> I get it all the time. >> Yeah, me too. >> Do you get the peach fuzz of a of a postpubescent kid um when you're 30? No, you don't. You don't. And you That's why you don't have to pay the adult tax is because you aren't an adult yet. But we're still talking about a naanas, right? So it's when you get that first beard and that's why it's continued to be described as that,

Right? At the point the kid is at the point of being that most gracefilled youth. I wanted us to look at youth here. I wanted us to look at youth, people. I mean, >> yeah. What if this guy's younger? The naanos is younger than this guy, >> right? He's a dimminionative of this guy, right? John is that naanos, right? The guy, the one that sits on Jesus's lap that comes up to his nipples and the apocrypha. That is really the um the naanos,

Right? And they try, they want to make him 30, but that's anyway. Heybe here, right? H look in the Dorian Ha. I don't know. Does that sound that bad? Look at the Eolian. Aba. Now, for some reason, people, the Hebrew is going to use the very same word that's already been established in Greek when they try to falsify it.

Youthful prime youth people, it's the Eolan that brings the aba. When you say aba father, you're talking you're using eolon. You're not using Hebrew. Right. Right. I'm serious. I'm serious. Look at it. Right. So where what does this father what does this aba where does it really come from? It comes from strength. Your vigor. You thought I was making that up. your strength and your vigor. Your time. Your time. Look what they do. Your time that is right before that vigor. When I can no longer wrestle you,

Right? When your kid gets to be about 16, it gets to the point that okay, no more wrestling, right? You've been bested, right? Look, it has to do with the strength and figure of life, the growth. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Who is it that she marries? She marries Heracles, right? Where is Hei? I want to see Hei and Theoi just to show you.

>> You think these things are not related? Guess what? Guess what? In the text, you see it. Here is Oh, that's just that's just No, I want to see her in Theoi so you can see it. Um Joey, do they have this? Yep. Oh yes. Oh yes. She was the one who serves that ambrosia people, right? She and Ganymede. Zeus didn't need Gene, but you know,

She was >> Yeah, I see that. >> God, >> patron goddess of the young bride. That's nice. And attendance on Aphrodite. Heracles received he because they're all [\\h__\\h] laced in marriage union upon his ascension, right? In in other words, people when they say ascension there, that's when he's burned alive. That's his deification. That was the removal of his mortality and the beginning of his godhead.

And why? Because Hera was finally reconciled. >> Interesting. Right? >> That's why he be should give the gift. It's almost like they're trying to say something. Right. Right. Now remember, he is then attended upon Aphrodite who at the time that that this dunderhead Heracles is walking around trying to figure out the mystery at the time is being portrayed by Media. That is why do I say portrayed? People are calling her the goddess. She is the goddess of the Artemis Aphrodite Black Sea combo,

Right? That that dark sexy magic goddess. And of course, right, who is Heracles going to receive? Okay, good. Good. Let's see what's uh No. Okay. Anyway, I wanted you to see he because she's there and she's important. Um, >> thank you. >> And this is underneath all the text, right? It's underneath all the text. It really

>> I just want to see >> Heracles. He gets burned in a funeral p, right? And gets to a fight a little bit. Isn't that how he dies? >> Correct. When he brings home E. Okay. who you can look up her name and see what it means when he brings her home as his captive bride

Who's just a young girl, right? She's a [\\h__\\h] teenager. He brings her home. His wife perceives this as a threat to their connection. And so she uses a drug that she Christs upon a shirt that she gives to him. And when he puts on the shirt, he bursts into flame. She thinks it's a love potion. It's not. It's a potion meant to purify his mortality,

Right? Purify his I think the only thing the only way that we get close to this in the modern world is those um monks that will um burn themselves to death. their process of deification of crossing over the other side is in a great conflration. That's what they're um

Doing for Heracles. It's what makes him immortal, >> right? Oh god. Um

Yeah. Yeah. What's in >> He goes crazy with that robe, too. >> Say that again.

I just said he went crazy when he put on that robe. >> Yes. When he's Christing, right? Because that robe is right. The poison that is in the robe is meant for Heracles to keep his mind in a place of love, right? It's meant to drive him to mania, to ecstasy, right? But that ecstasy is death.

In the case of this drug of the centaur, the you know, and of course, where does this come from? It it's all coming from the hydra. It's the hydra's venom that the centaur is using on his arrows, right? It all goes back to the same thing. What was this? Um,

So the next line is just going to set up the speaking. I wanted you what I really wanted you to see in these lines was what uh I want you to tell me now having read it what the hell is going on where are we like if you had to picture this right where where do you have to take the student so that they see what's going on if you had to make a movie out of this scene right um Hermes walks up he's a young kid, right? Going through going

Through puberty and he's known, right? He's already known for who he is. He's the one with the golden wand. What's he going to do with the golden wand? And why is he coming up to Odysius? But is Hermes coming from Cersei? Is Hermes

Coming from this palace? Is he just hanging around in the jungle outside? What's he doing? >> I so want to answer this. Like I think maybe it was one of Cersei's attendants. Like they call him golden rided. Like maybe he was walking around naked, you know, like what? Maybe he's got a golden rod. I don't know. >> But like he also has the antidote that he gives to Odysius later. But in this passage, you know, they're just meeting each other and he comes up and he's

Like, "Hey, Odysius." And he's like grabbing his hand and he like already knows his name somehow. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, already we're in a funny world because you and I don't have young kids walk up to us who've got some kind of gang name walk up to us with drugs that he's going to bring him drugs, right?

And he's recognized as a divinity. What the hell is going on in this great palace that you know what I mean? We're gonna get closer to it and we're gonna find out that the even the animals are drugged.

>> Uh I wanted to ask uh when it says gracefilled is it also talking about like love charm?

>> That is a great question. That is a great question. Oh god. Um I've got to be completely honest with you. It didn't strike me, but um yeah, you're right. You're pointing out something very

Right. >> You mean alluring? >> Yeah. Is that is that setting up? Remember the graces are always with Aphrodite, right? The graces. And what's what is he about to do? He's about to go into this place where this lady drugs him and starts to smack him with her own rabdon. So, we've got another lady. We've got another person with a radon. And is hers golden? It doesn't say hers is golden. It says his is though. Right now, get this. I'm not [\\h__\\h] you. The ancient physicians talk about the use of different metals in medicine. And everybody knows that gold is the hypoallergenic

Medicine that you can use applicator, excuse me, that you can use gold in applications. It's a very good it's very friendly to the human body. That's that's what that's what they're discussing, right? Um, so is this applicator

Uh slashbakic tool that is covered with gold here, is that his special is that his special applicator? Because don't fool yourself in this house. And this comes back to the English that you were supposed to read, right? You've read this book in English. you know that he goes in there, she drugs him, she beats him a little bit with this weird sat masochistic [\\h__\\h] and then she demands cuz the drug's not working. She demands that he [\\h__\\h] her.

>> Yeah. >> Right. >> She was feeding him acorns,

>> You got to put the you got to put your sex slaves on the right diet. You know what I mean? You got to maintain that erective diet, that high performance diet, right, of of what's going on. I mean, if you There's even a point in book 10 where um um he's asking her not to unman him is usually how they translate it. He doesn't want to get castrated. This Hermes guy, I think he's into the sex stuff. I just I just don't don't quote me on it, but it

Looks odd. >> She runs a lot of baths. >> Wait, say it again, Maline. >> I said uh she runs them all a lot of baths. >> So >> that's true. But you know, he has to have sex with her, right? That's part of the deal. And he ends up having sex with her. And this is the beginning of a How long do they end up staying with each other? And long enough to have children? >> Like a year. >> Yeah. Which he is just getting over with what's her name? Who's or Calyps? Wait,

Is this before Calypso? Oh god. He gets held for seven years by Calypso doing the same thing having children, right? And the same thing happens. The gods get involved and say, "You got to let this this guy Hermy uh this guy Odysius go. He's got to get back. He's crying about his mommy." And the virgin girl is the one who keeps guiding him, who keeps freeing him, right? This virgin girl. Okay. Did you guys I'm going to take it off of this. Um did you guys read English um book six? Did you

Guys get to see it's only a few hundred lines? Hell >> yeah, I did. >> Okay. Did either of you We'll start with Josh. Did you figure out Is there any mystery stuff going on? >> Yeah. Well, it clearly seems to be mimicking some of these uh things that involve saders coming across nymphs and ponds, but it's almost like the reverse. It's like these girls are playing ball and they throw the ball and it lands and hits Odysius in the head and he wakes up and he wanders over there naked and and they're everyone and they they start

Running away and the only one that's not scared is Nasico cuz she got a message from Athena like so it's pretty interesting what's going on there. But Odysius is just like I just want to go I need shelter and so um she's nice enough to give give him stuff so he can give himself a bath and he's like don't look at me. >> Yeah. Now notice before we get to his bath, right? And remember that Odysius is very goodlooking.

Okay, I'm sorry. It's just one of the things. This guy is divine. Do you understand? They walk around calling him divine. Imagine um uh you know Superman himself walking in. He stands a cut above everybody else, right? This is Odysius. So you have to realize there's a huge amount of sexual tension and it's the virgin

Athena who herself sins now sika who is on the cusp of marriage. She tells her get up out what are you doing? All your clothes look like shite. Go get your [\\h__\\h] in order man. It's going to be marriage time soon. Unus.

There you go. Right. They're all disordered. They're It's all wrinkled and disordered. Take them out and take them and and clean them up. So, it's all starting with her. And the virgin. When I say her, I mean the virgin. And she's the one guiding this poor guy who's getting used, right? Is he going to go tell Penelopey? Oh god. Calypso [\\h__\\h] the [\\h__\\h] out of me. She wouldn't stop. You know, she it's just on and on and on and she's beating people up. She's keeping sex slaves.

She's got a whole army of poisoners. Dude, I had to use an antidote from some kid who was there with this medical applicator. I thought he was going to shove it in my hoo-ha. Right. This is the world we're talking about. We're not talking about a movie world of myth where these magical ladies exist. These magical creatures. We're not. We're talking about a very real Bronze Age with real Now, um, did you notice I want to ask you both before we go on with book six, did you notice

There are references to giants?

>> I had my eyes open for that, but I wasn't connecting the dots there. >> Okay. I guess the fashions are somehow related to them. >> Oh yeah. >> Right. Right. You're going to And it's going to be hard for you to pick out in the English because it's not always translated literally. So these giants

Who are in the text, you'll notice that they are operating in the very same way as the giants you see in the Septuagen. The very same way. These are people with advanced tech. They have metal tech,

They have pharmacy tech, and they have um navigation tech that we don't. Right. From Odysius's perspective, they they're quite advanced. And Athena is sending them right to rescue. She's using now Sika who's not just any girl right this girl right that's how they always present her just some girl right no no no this is the princess right her notice she says did you guys let me ask this question did you notice that when now Sika tells Odysius what to do to to be rescued essentially she tells him to go to the palace she tells him to bypass

Her father who will be sitting there in counsel said bypass him and go directly to mom because if there's any hope for you she's the one who's going to be able to bring it people I want you to realize that in the middle of all of this and modern classists they read this and they oh women are so [\\h__\\h] oppressed oh god and they reflect this 60s [\\h__\\h] ideological [\\h__\\h] You have to realize that Odysius has been dealing with these women for 10 [\\h__\\h] years. And finally on his way out, if he's

Going to get out, he's going to have to do what these women say. And he's going to have to go find this woman who can is the only one who can help him get back to Penelope.

All right. This is not a picture of a dude who's trying to make his way back home because he loves his wife in a world of harsh circumstance. This is a dude who's trying not to get bought and sold and [\\h__\\h] and in order to get back to his wife who is still in charge of his entire estate which makes you think maybe it's not his

In order to get back. >> Yes. in order for him to get back to Penelopey's domain in a world where these women have crazy power where there there are tribes of women who control men and use them as slaves and um do things like descend upon thieves and kill people there until they're given hostages that they then take off and rape.

Right. This >> Amazonian. >> This is the Yeah, this is the world among a whole bunch of Cyian tribes too, >> not just the Amazonians. But remember, Homer is using Eeyolon. >> And Eolian is the language that is influenced by the Amazonians. It is the Greek that is taking on Amazonian music

>> And the language Jesus uses. Huh. >> Jesus. Oh God, he can't help >> the things that sneak in, right? And it's doing so through the magic. Ultimately, it's doing so through the magic. It's preserved in what he's saying. >> So, oh God. Now, let me just ask you this. You both are sitting there. You don't you're not you you've you've looked at some of the English and you're trying to follow the stories. Tell me both of you, please tell me one observation that what was one thing that stuck out to you? Like, God, these

People, one thing that sticks out to me is they're always crying. The men are always crying. The ladies are never crying. What the hell is with this right now? Something like that. Whatever it is that you notice, we'll start with Josh. Josh, what did you notice reading in English? Just in English? Uh well, for book six, I noticed like the girls came in on mules. Like they all got carded in on mules and they started like uh they had some ointments and golden bottles and stuff, you know? That's like some,

You know, I've had other witches and stuff use that too. Like seems like a pretty common thing back at that time. They have ointments and stuff that they would use for things. Uh, I also noticed um in book 11 they were talking about giants that were like as big as football fields or something and they were getting picked at by vultures like Prometheus and I think they're somehow related to those fian somehow but uh don't quote me on that. >> And Agamemnon's like a woman hater. He

Like gives all this like misogynist advice from the dead like >> Yeah. Yeah. Agamimnon's a boob, right? Everybody hates Everybody hates Agamemnon. Achilles especially hates Agamemnon, right? He's stopped multiple times from killing Agamemnon,

Right? Agamemnon is the idiot that's walking in with this oracle who's telling him, "Um, your wife's about to kill you, stupid." >> He was crying in hell. He was crying in hell. >> He deserves it, doesn't he? Yeah. And and a lot of them were crying but all at the same time when he was there.

>> Yeah. Shedding of the tears. Lovely. Lovely. Melina, what stuck out to you? Um, so in book six, I was Oh, first of all, I'm kind of obsessed with Nasica or Nasika. Uh, and u, but anyh who, I noticed um

The mother sitting at the hear spinning the purple yarn. Loved that. >> Beautiful. Did you notice Josh the purple? >> Yes, I did. And you just brought it back. >> There's something else I wish I could remember. Uh yeah, I'm going to have to take more notes next time, tomorrow. Today, today, tomorrow. >> You will, but um >> you will absorb it, Melina, over time. Cuz when you read it again, you will absorb more. And when you get into the Greek, you'll absorb an even deeper

Level. But you you picked out something absolutely gorgeous with the purple. Notice the tech. Notice the tech is there, right? They're using it. And who's using it? It's her mother, right? >> Right. Ariti is her name, right? Um >> yeah, >> the very meaning of her name looks like their word for virtue.

Oh yeah, >> right. The excellence the excellence of life is from this woman. She's the only one who can solve Odicius's problem, his dilemma. Right? You re realize when they go to media, she's the only one who can solve the [\\h__\\h] problem. Why don't they get some other bastards to help him out and rush these [\\h__\\h] um uh fire breathers that are standing in Jason's? Why? Why can't they do that? Why do they got to get media to do? Why do they have to get

Um she is the spinner of the purple, right? She's that one who's doing Why is Athena there? Notice that she's making um Cersei in the the first time we meet her um she's making song as if she's making a giant um textile telling a story,

Right? There is all sorts of tech here that you don't even realize you're you're you're picking up when you're reading this um to yourself in English. And the Greek forces you to get into that, right? It forces you. So, good on you for noticing the purple. What else? Malena, you said there was something else that >> Yeah. Well, I was wondering why um like

Um Oh, there's something about the the temple of Poseidon. I was just kind of wondering um

That connection and but then I also was going to say something about like noticing how that how she was spinning that thread at the hearth. Um. >> Mhm. >> Yeah.

>> But I don't know what what is it about like the temple of Poseidon um and like the the sea. >> Yeah. What is it about Poseidon is pissed off. Godamn it. He's pissed off at Odysius. Okay. I'm I'm like just think of it as I'm ex I'm I'm showing you the invisible these forces that are there just like we did heave and just like we do Aeros here's Poseidon right what is he go into where his name comes from and you get 15 different answers and it's confusing as hell just look at what Poseidon does

He's he's he's pissed off at Odysius and he's chasing him around destroying all of his fleets and stuff every time he gets on a ship beside [\\h__\\h] makes it hard for him. How does he do that? How does he do that? That earth shaker does that through the movement of the waves. And those waves are compelled by the winds which all of us who have been in the mystery all of us know that the winds are the base

Um element that we control. Right? Media's first songs we have um referenced as the hymns to the winds, right? The manipulation of the winds. I'm going to give a text tomorrow on in um on Lady Babylon that will be of gas valerius flaccus. He's a Roman source and he's the last human being to really have a look at the oracles and to be >> love. Yes. Good. Good. We're going to talk about a section where he talks about the mus who came to see media

Because she can do what nobody else can do with the breath of fire. And it's not talking about fire breathing people. It's in the context of the control of the winds. Those winds are a part and parcel of the mogus' craft. And that's what Guys for Larry Flackis does. And that's why Jesus is all, "Oh, stop the winds." And all of a sudden everything's calm and the little kids are like, "Oh, you saved us." He's like, "Good. I can go back to sleep." Right? That's the same the very

Same practices, the control of those winds. If you think it's just um yeah, if you if you're thinking on a level of

Just the physical world without considering that invisible, you're not understanding what those winds are and how to manipulate them. So, um remember, and if you if you're sitting there thinking, "Oh, Almond, you're full of shit." Just bringing this back to Media. Remember,

>> Odysius has to find his way home using a bag of winds. >> Yeah, >> he's he's supposed to be using the very craft that is holding him captive. This magic and this world of drug use and magic is what is forming him. He is out looking for the poison, the Christing poison in the very beginning. He's out looking for it, right? The winds are just part of his commands. And Cersei sends him and he's supposed to get them from Eololis, right? And who's that? Oh,

It's he's the father of those powers, those winds down. Oh, God. People, it's making the invisible visible. I love it. And we're not going to see any of this in the modern movie, which I'm glad they made one because it's good. It's interest. But the the Odyssey did Did the trailer come out, Chewy? And it's probably nothing even remotely. It's a It's like an imagined.

Yeah, it's like an imagined world of Huhari, which is too >> He better cry at least once. >> He better cry. Okay. I want you both to realize um what we did tonight. I'm going to do the same format only I want to transition from being on the horse to being off the horse so that the two of you are doing the reading. Do you understand? It's how it always works in these reading course. It's just like I'm a catapult on the aircraft carrier. All I'm there is to speed you off the carrier. Okay. You both did exactly what

You were supposed to do. Okay. So, I can tell it, Meline. I can tell it by what you're doing. I'm going to give you another passage of a few lines and I want you to read that passage. Otherwise, I want you to do the same thing. Look through the vocab. Look at the grammar for 15 minutes. Vocabulary. a little vocabulary doing during the day from the Odyssey list. And then I want you to look at this passage and I want you to continue reading in English. Um,

Six was short, seven's a little bit longer. Um, you know what about the Cyclops people? We're going to be dealing with the Cyclops, right? So, we need to know these giants. Where are we going to deal? Let's do this. Can everybody see my screen?

I'm going to put in Oh, they can't. Okay, go ahead, Chewy. I'm going to put in giant in Homer and I want us to go to that passage. I want us to look a little bit at it. I'm gonna put Homer up here. Boom. It is epic.

Excellent. And I'm going not here. Hermes. We already touched on Hermes. Let's do

>> Giants from Hell, >> right?

How about the Odyssey book seven? Look at that. It's right within if you read book seven in English, right? And when I say read it, I mean at your leisure. Like, you know, not reading it for an exam. just [\\h__\\h] plowing through it, right? Um, and these are only few hundred lines each, so it doesn't take you a long time. This is how you pack the English side of your vocabulary.

This is how you pack it, by reading the English. Okay, so I want us to read this passage about giants because look, we're talking about a tribe of them, right? Tribes. Oh god, they're even wild people. Look at that. Did I set this up? Oh, Muse, you're so >> you're so you're so gorgeous, Muse. Look at this. She put the cyclopes right in there for us that I was just talking about. So, are you ready to learn your assignment next time is your lines are around 206.

I want you to read a couple before, couple of lines, just a couple line, couple lines after, just to get an idea of what these giants are. And I want you to figure out an answer for me next time using all the tools that I've been showing you, like the grammar, like the vocab, right? I want you to use your tools and figure out for me what the hell a cyclops is from Homer.

Look at Homer here. Look at the look at the, you know, what he's saying about the Giants. And I want you to tell me what the giants are. The only reason that you and I ever sit around and say Nephilim at all is because of our deception. This is the real. Here are the cyclops, the cyclopes. That's plural for cyclops, right? Cyclopes, not cyclopses. Cyclopes. Here are the cyclopes and the giants. I want you to figure out who the [\\h__\\h] they are for next time. So, here's

Your official passage. This is book seven, line 205. Right. Okay. We'll do the same thing next time. Josh, I'm going to make you start this time and I want the translation from you and I'm going to have us um same order and I'm going to get it down to an hour. And I apologize for being late. I'm not going to do that again. We're going to start on time tomorrow at 8 uh30 my time and we'll finish at 9:30. So, you've both been a sport. I talk too much. I'm glad that you were able to bring some of it out in

The end, but I'm going to start exiting the horse. I'm going to start getting off the horse for the so the two of you can ride your own horses. Right. >> Malena, thank you so much. >> Did you want to say anything here in the end? Because I know you've been hitting the study hard. Was there anything that you saw that you wanted to mention or anything goofy or you know that just stuck out in your head? >> Oh, uh nothing uh right this second, but uh I've been really enjoying this and I'm glad that I have the opportunity to

Uh work with you again and and study. Yeah, I'm I'm excited. I'm sure there'll be more goofy stuff I pick out. So >> yes, it's my it's my honor to be able to work with you so that your goofiness can go on and you know find the goofy frontier. You know what I mean? That's that your uniqueness your uniqueness is important here. So when when you're studying in the future from now on when something sticks out to you, right, there may be things that you want to mention, just make a mental note of it

Like you're okay, we're going to go to lab and when we go to lab, we're going to want to, you know, go over things that we've been thinking about. So don't don't um take your don't take your eye off of your focus is all I'm trying to say. Keep your keep your focus. Um, is there any is there anything about now Sika because you said Nikka is there is there any why did now Sika stick out to you and then I'll leave you alone. >> Um, I don't know. I like the how the beginning of book six went when

They were all just barrel playing ball in the river and then how everything unfolds. I I like her character and connected to it, I suppose. >> Yeah. She seems like she's a heroine, you know what I mean? A a hero. And it's funny that they're promoting her as the hero when that's what the audience is going to see. Can the audience be as misogynist as we want to make them out to be? Sometimes it just doesn't look that way. And I think that you're bringing that out,

>> Josh. Homer. >> Go ahead. >> Especially the what? >> Oh, es I I said especially Homer. >> Especially Homer. Yes. >> Because he's older. >> Yeah. How do you envision her? What do you think she What do you think she's like?

>> She's glowing and adventurous. >> Yeah. Yeah. She's not lazy, that's for [\\h__\\h] sure. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Exactly. She she like responds to her dreams, >> right? >> Takes takes her vision serious. She seems like a not aggressive, but like I know she's supposed to be bold. Like she's the only person who doesn't run,

Which you can imagine if this nude dude stepped out of the middle of nowhere, right? That it would scare you and you you know um but no, she doesn't. He doesn't scare her and he never although he flatters her in the beginning because he's always doing that. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> He's the golden tongue guy who talks his way through anything, right? And he's got the looks to back it up so he gets his way. You know what I mean? And is that why the virgin likes him so

Much? Sometimes there's that tension between Odysius and Athena, especially when he recognizes her, right? And all of a sudden there's this like uncomfortable tension. >> Yeah, I've noticed that with her. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's lovely. I love it. Is Homer. Homer. Josh, was there anything you wanted to add? >> Well, yeah. So, like he's like smooth. Well, he comes up to her cuz he's been rejected so many times already, I guess. So, he's trying to like be smooth with her. And does he say something like he's

Looking for a husband in a land or something? And then uh >> he >> I don't know >> he tells her >> weird like that >> he he tells her she is fortunate that whoever she ends up engaged to that that person should count their lucky stars because there's going to be no other marriage that will equal hers. And he even suspects he tells her he suspects that she's a you know divinity. She's got to be. And people don't recognize this as important, but you have to remember they are seeing a difference between people. Cersei is addressed as a god,

Right? People are not walking around addressing Odysius as a god. Cersei is addressed as a god. Media is addressed as Artemis during her life. Do you understand? She's addressed as a divinity. So, and you're going to be seeing that in Homer. And um it's kind of confounding to us because we don't do I don't I don't know. Have you ever come across the divinity? And I mean, yeah, it's it's uh

Yeah. But it's related to the giants, too. Beautiful.

>> Beautiful. Perfect way to end our session number two. Now, we're going to get into session number three, and I want to hit it right on time, and I'm going to be less talky-talkie, and you guys are going to be the ones who are exchanging the information. So, I will see you tomorrow at 8:30. Please keep up the good work. >> Thank you. See you tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Bye. And hail Teresios, Cadmiss, and that [\\h__\\h] And hail Satan. Fantast.