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20260504-History Is Inquiry - Vol. IV - With Dr. Ammon Hillman ‪@ladybabylon666‬ ​

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>> We have been talking about this concept of the invisible. And that you told us it was the auratos. I said Greek word. Can you elaborate a bit of what this will mean in ancient times? Yeah, the ancient Greek is obsessed with this existence of an unseen world. There are powers and that there are authorities, that there are ways and physics. Things that move the universe are invisible. So, the architecture of this invisible universe was important to the pre-Socratics

Who took it and turned it into kind of a field of investigation. It became so prominent that even the Septuagint refers to God in the opening of Genesis, right? And says that this God created an earth that was auratos, formless.

Formless, right? Not in the sense that it was not didn't have any material, but that it was invisible. And the Greek uses auratos for that. It's this invisible world that the Greek language is obsessed with exposing. So, um So, you were mentioning the pre-Socratics.

Um we have we have talked about it before and can you explain to us um what would be pre-Socratic ideas or Socratic ideas or like what was a pre-Socratic, you know? Can you explain to us what that would mean? Sure. So, you have a whole bunch of material philosophers

Who precede Plato. And they talk about things like what is the natural element that composes the universe as we know it. What are the basic functional units of the cosmos? And so, there is a lot of physics in pre-Socratic what we call pre-Socratic philosophy.

And one of the branches of physics that the pre-Socratics are interested in is the capacity to visualize the invisible. What is that process all about? How do you come ultimately to learn about the things that we pre-Socratics are sitting around and saying, "Hey, there are these atomoi, these atoms

That are down there on the very lowest level of existence." How do you get down to that invisible world? You have to get there through the logos, and that's what they're driving in the pre-Socratic oh, intellectual world. They're driving in the derivation of an understanding of all existence. Let me give you an example. What people are curious about is the harmony of the cosmos. What is the tension of the bow that brings us harmony? So, you you assume when you're sitting there and you start to read these different Greek

Authors, like different pre-Socratic authors, you assume that they're thinking about the natural world in the same way, and they're not. For example, they combine an understanding of music and the nature of being. So, you can take those two ideas kind of a philosophical or spiritual idea and you can combine it with a very concrete um idea that allows you to analyze. So, it's like you can take something that is a concept and turn it into material. That's what this pre-Socratic mind is trying to do in Greek. Now, this doesn't this doesn't

Characterize any other groups of different language groups that are in the area. This is particular to Greek. And it's why the music vocabulary that you and I use and the scientific vocabulary that you and I use is all based on the Greek. So, it's not based on anybody else. So. Okay, Ammon, so um So, going back to the first concept of the auratos or the invisible or this uh other reality, I don't know how to call it, to be honest, but um so, this is an idea that appears with this pre-Socratic thinking or comes from before or what do the text says to us?

You can't say that it definitely starts at this period because you can see as old as the Mycenaean interest in Dionysus. Um with his digamma that he's got in the fact that this is a real Mycenaean concept. Dionysus is all about the enthusiasmos, right? That that um state of elevated thinking, the state that you enter when you leave this plane, when you leave this um reality and enter the visionary state, where you go to the third heaven with Paul the Apostle. Right? This is the tech that they are using and the Greek vocabulary

That describes that tech is all very specific and very straightforward. So, um I think it it behooves us it helps us to take a look at the Mycenaean enthusiastic mystery. Right? It's why we always go back to that oldest form that we have in the Linear B. Right? That's our earliest evidence for the practice of this mystery. It's completely contemporary with Medea.

And it is um fits in perfectly with the literature that we get through the >> [snorts] >> through the kitharodes and the appodes and the Homers and the and all all of the Archilochus, right? Archilochus. Um it's these people that are passing on this knowledge and this learning and this capacity in the Greek. And so that's, you know, um

The world that you need to consider is a world where music and medicine and religion are the same thing.

Okay, so um so but just to put it in like to put it in simple words, when we talk about this um

Paral- or this unseen which will be the Orpheus. Um so what I'm getting is like well, it comes from we cannot know, but we can infer what where it's coming from. Then we get uh up the pre-Socratic ideas about this place it is a place where it is could give us like a simple um

I guess it's difficult to give a simple like definition of it, but what they were when they will say Orpheus or this invisible this place that you're going and I guess it's the same place that they were referring to after where the Oracles were going to get some intel or some information or something like that, isn't it? We're talking about this same place or you know, I have this confusion. Uh um

Can you uh elaborate on it? Sure. We we need the magic to be able to bridge the gap between the seen and the unseen. And that's where the pharmakeia comes in. The pharmakeia of the the the sorcery

The use of the drugs becomes the mechanism that we can finally jump over into the invisible because the invisible is just as real as the visible. There is an understanding at the time because of the Orphics. There is an understanding that music and the proportion undergird all of nature. They make up all of nature. These proportions are logical.

They can be examined. They can be manipulated. For example, the string, you can manipulate the tension on the string. You can change the tone. And in doing so, you can create a language that has magical music associated with the very pronunciation of the words. So the pronunciation of the words that includes their musical tone

Has an effect on the invisible to make it visible. This is the activity they would say of our God Ion. Ion is the invisible. Right? So when you have as a magus when you have ionic life

As a generated potential. So in other words, I can tell somebody, "Look, hey um you know, let's meet after school. Right? And I've got some drugs and whatnot. And I can take you to a place where you will enter into a new existence that is the invisible. I will make the invisible visible. I will give you ionic life." Right? We would both take it. Right? Of course we would. Let's go. I want to see what this dimension is. And that's what these Oracles all over the Greek-speaking world that's what they're

Focusing on. I'm sorry I interrupt you, but I cannot not make the question. Cuz uh yeah. We've been hearing um in the conversations about the ionic life. Um well, I guess the phrase that I must remember it will be like a place out of time.

So so just um in a nutshell like a golden nugget before we continue with with with the interview. Um what will what will be the difference between ionic life and eternal life? Yeah. Right. That's a gorgeous question. Eternal life, life without end, right? Ionic life is the invisible life. Let me give you an example. So um Eros the desire that exists between two

People that is sexual. Um that is an invisible reality. You cannot see it. You cannot track what goes between two people's eyes when they conceive of sexual desire, yet there is an invisible world that is propelling

That motion forward. So that we have sexual union because that's how we get life. So there is an invisible architecture that can be manipulated by the magus. And this is why I can't tell you. This is why so many magi were executed in antiquity or exiled

Because of their effective power over the invisible because remember the invisible is running the kingdoms. All So when an emperor consults with an astrologer they're consulting with their highest educated people.

And they these are the people who are exposed to all the history. These are the people who are exposed to the writing. These are the people who know the magic song, the satanic bacchic

Song. They know that. And it's what they practice not as a religion, not as a cult, but as a philosophy of education and life. It's Saturnian religion. It's Saturnian over and over again. Satan is Saturn.

It is Saturnian religion that was itself overcome by Christianity. So um yeah. Yeah, fantastic.

Well, I'll keep going with I have a bunch of questions about that, but >> Yes. Let's try to keep try to keep going with the schedule here. >> [laughter] >> So um okay, so as if we take this idea that we were uh talking um about the this other reality

Um is related I guess with the with this place the Oracles were going or like um what is the relation of the Oracles on this Orpheus? Is could it will be fair to think or like um it will make sense to think that this place was the same place that the Oracles were engaging with?

Yeah. It's remember the Oracles have sexual relations with the God. Right? In all of the back stories at all of these different Apollonian Oracles.

Behind all of this curtain of right is a relationship between a singer and the God. So that the very bacchic right itself is this. It's the relationship between the singer that is Tini, the mother of Dionysus, and the god, that's Zeus. The lightning is what is brought. And that that's all the oracle is doing. But the Greek-speaking world in all different ethnicities described that as a sexual relationship. And it's part of the reason that the Christians said idolatry is a sexual act, right? It's a sexual act. Because it was.

Right? Imagine if you took your church to the level of the communion being the ejaculate of the host. And that that was the actual transubstantiation that took place in that woman's body. Or a eunuch. You [laughter] can get a eunuch, too. Sorry. Yeah, um So So we're inferring that you will get a eunuch or woman, but seems to be virgins at the same time. So, um could you elaborate in the idea of like there is a sexual relationship with the god, but she seems to be a virgin.

So, what are we talking about here? Yeah, um she has to come to the point of that orgiastic climax. She has to find Um there's a reason that the word orgy or is for us, you know, the kind of idea of a sex party. But originally, it is the performance of the religious act. So, this and this goes way, way back. This is deeply rooted. You cannot have these Bacchic satanic mysteries without the sex act. Um there must be an orgiastic orgasmo. There has to be an orgasm.

There has to be the creation of seed. And not just from a man, but they considered it seed from a woman as well. That ejaculate that a woman has is a seed in the very same way that a male's ejaculate is a seed. So, they're looking at the performance of that sexual magic as the bridge

For the invisible. We bring it out. I told you Eros can't be seen, but you can see the effects of Eros. You can see the effects of that attraction, for example, that two people will get for each other, or a repulsion that one will get when the other one has an attraction. Those forces are what are being the invisible powers that the magus through the logos

Through the song, through the expression the verbal expression is able to control. I can control you with aphrodisiacs. I If there's one thing I can tell you from antiquity, of all the Greek that I've read, um the most popular topic is drugging somebody into sex.

So, this is a part of the right. And for the person to reach the point where they emit seed is the platform launches us into the invisible. For some reason, and I don't know why, Bruno, but for some reason, they had to have the mind in orgasm under the influence of these death inducers

In order to get you to the world of the invisible, in order to that spiritual realm. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. And actually is question I I've been asking you for the past 6 months in different ways. So, I'll ask you again. >> [laughter] >> Like how we Well, how we can Do you have because yeah. You will think like of course um Well, an an an a feeling of an orgasm at the same time that inducer, because I'm thinking about a situation that's going on at the same

Time. So, it feels like completely overwhelming to like have all of these elements happening to yourself in I don't know, like half an hour. But what I mean is like um do you have like some kind of like example or with the text that we can talk about um about this or like orgasm

Drugged with the dead inducer on you and all of this at the same time. Do you have some accounts about this situation that we can just create an imaginary I mean like image in just to try to understand like why this person will be feeling, I guess. Yeah, start You can reconstruct it, but you have to start with the most non-theoretical, the most practical, the most, you know, substantive, I guess you'd say. The And that's the drugs. Once you look at different drugs that are be being used in rights,

Then you start looking for words that will betray the activities that the cult participant is performing in. So, we have all of these wonderful little descriptions. For example, there is the black sphinx who takes the scroll and inserts it in her vagina. On the scroll, in the very same text, on the scroll is written the song in an ink that is medicated.

She is placed during this whole right with a male child. She is called the pederast. Right? Her reaching her climax

Is the production of her song. There is some kind of music mechanics that when a person is in the height of their ecstasy, their natural physical sexual ecstasy, there's a way to bring song. It's what the oracles are doing. It is a sex act that can that might can and must use an intermediary. The vehicle or the instrument is that priestess.

It's her that's being tuned to the universe. So, again, you don't think of sex We don't in moderns. I don't know. Maybe somebody does. But you don't think of the sex act as a musical performance.

Despite the fact that we associate we associate very specific vocalizations with with the act of having intercourse. So, um the orgiastic release that little that little death is absolutely programmed into the mystery. Remember, all of this has to do with what? An induction of death followed by a resurrection. We are going to put you through a process of dying and being born again. So, um you know, the mystery is not an operation that explains all of ancient religion. No, it's one very specific right meant to pierce that veil

Between the visible world and the invisible world. Those two realities can be brought together. And the person that does that is the initiate. So, the power of that woman that Let me say this. Uh There was a great priest, Plutarch, in antiquity. And Plutarch had oracle friends. And one of his oracle friends, um he shared letters with, and he talked to her about the sacred right that is female sexuality, not masculine.

The sacred right that is female sexuality. And he describes so elegantly how this is a a right natural to every woman. And that it can be brought out and mastered and put into a cult in order to lead. And that cult would be visionary.

That cult could create lines of priestesses whose bodies could perform the same mystery. Remember, it's their seed that is life. Even when Jesus refers to his going back to that origin, that life, that bread of life, that gives us the renewal. Right? It's These are references to mystery cults that are using human body fluids and rights that are sexual, drug-induced rights to bring you to a place that you cannot go otherwise. The priestess is there to harness her special voice in the cosmos.

Okay. Thank you, Ammon. And and well, I guess Yeah, and and from the perspective of the the person that will go and be initiated. So, just like quick question. Who will be initiated? I mean, everybody can go and be initiated if he he wants. I mean, who is the initiated when we talk about the initiated? Who is the initiated? Yeah, there's use The short answer to that is there's usually some kind of performance they have to do, some kind of workup to the actual initiation. They have to go through a period of fasting. There's also

Sometimes it's shaving the head. Um sometimes it's a period of meditation on a specific formula. So, for in other words, I bring like we see in the PGM, I bring my daughter to be initiated. Sh- She and I gather all the ingredients they will need for the drug recipe. We bring it with us. They bury the thing for a week, let it develop in the ground while she, my daughter, is going through an incantation, a song, a group of visions that she will see once she has taken

The communion. So, it's a it's like a preparation that is educational, musical, and drug-induced. And the whole again, the whole object is to create that vision. To be able to see the unseen so that when you pull a person out, they can have changed the way that they think about the world.

Okay. And um and when we talk about this uh specific um >> [clears throat] >> initiation right. Um I guess you cannot time frame it because probably it's a very broad uh amount of time. But, when we

When we talk about this specific that you are talking about, we're talking about Greece like classical Greece, this kind of times, or this kind of initiation you are talking or or you are talking about like >> All over all over the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. And um these are rights that are either they take place at any time, or they take place during festivals. They can be specific times. >> I guess I guess I have to reframe my question. So, um well, we have been talking about

Initiation rights before, so um we know it comes from as we can know with the text, it comes from Bronze Age and probably before, but we have the text in Greek from Bronze Age and after, isn't it? And we keep having these initiation rights, and let's

Let's go a bit forward and let's frame it in classical Greece. So, these initiation rights continue to happen. And how we the the this initiation in uh the fifth 10th century BC. Yeah. You know, um by the fifth century, the Eleusinian mysteries have really taken over. And so, they've become the vehicle for diffusion of the right. Whereas it was oracular, you know, throughout his- the history of the Greek-speaking world all over the Mediterranean, you can see these rights erupting, the um influencing Roman rights. You can see

Romans completely adopting these very same mysteries. It becomes a problem with the Bacchanalia as you and I, you know, have talked about. Um so, remember that these rights are explosive. And it's all part of their nature. By fifth century Athens, their playwrights are characterizing

Their mystery rights as these explosive groups that can come out of nowhere. The Dionysian ecstasy is a part of nature. So, it can be inflamed at any time. All you need is the right maenad. That's all you need. It's a feminine priesthood

That says, and I'm telling you, Bruno, it's explicitly states that that female capacity for that orgiastic height, that orgasm, is what distinguishes women as superiors to their inferior male counterparts. So, it's a completely different You think, "Oh, is this from Greece?" No, no, no. This is a philosophy and a religion and a medicine that came to the world from the Black Sea. And from these Scythians that you and I have talked about, yet you still see it when the Romans are having a crazy problem with the women

In the aristocracy recreating Bacchic rights that all of a sudden they've got to prosecute them and execute them. And by the way, the way that they defined they found these women was through their drugs. But, this is something that explodes. It's never masculine. So, it's a real I think it's one of the biggest mysteries of the mystery. Um why it is that a female physiology is required to elevate the mortals.

And um well, actually that's that's the the question that that I was going to ask you now. Like how it keep keeps going um how it developed um towards Roman times, I guess. It continued to exist. Well, I understand that it does because of what you were you were just saying. But, how these initiation rights will continue. We just talked about the fifth uh century um like the most known century of ancient Greece, I guess. And but that will give um an heritage, I guess, in these ideas of initiation to Roman times.

Or it doesn't. You've got to rem- You've got to remember that the initiatory mystery cults have already established themselves in Italy, in Sicily. You can You can talk about these different priesthoods that are direct mystery cult

Borrowings. So, this is why you have these, you know, some people will criticize and say it's foreign or it's Eastern. Yet, it is a deeper part of the Italian or the Latin soil than than you and I are willing to admit. They admitted it. Let me give you an example. Um Circe, right? Her Italian influence had to do with she was exiled because one of the local kings she killed, and right? Had to end up with all of her women cuz she's primarily um walking around and developing civilization with women.

She is this Italian link that is the pharmaceutical link, the religious mystery link that ultimately produces the ancestors of the Romans. They know there's a connection between Circe, this Mycenaean queen, by the way, who rapes Odysseus.

Right? And nobody People read this This is the most confused book of of Homer anywhere. This is from the Odyssey. When Odysseus gets captured by Circe, she not only drugs him, and he's got an antidote, but um she demands immediately that he have intercourse with her. And nobody ever questions, "Why is this that it's happening? What is this domination thing with now she's got to have sex with him?" Yes, because that is a part of the mechanics. He is one of those unique captives

Being fed into a Mycenaean religion that is this fiery combination of medicine and music and all of these power players. Like people don't realize but the Greek world looked at Odysseus as a magus. People don't People don't realize that but if you read ancient Greek criticism of Homer just just scolias commenting on Homer, you're going to find that people understood the link already. They knew it was there in their own literature. They knew it was there. So this whole the Romans are not detached from the mystery at all.

And it shows it in their in their sanctuaries and in their practices. Yeah. Well, so in Roman society you will be engaging with Homer at some point. In Roman society you will be influenced thoroughly by Homer to such a degree that your greatest authors, your most popular authors will copy

Homer. Think about it for a minute. We all think of Virgil. Virgil is famous and probably the most famous for his day and he was immensely popular in his own lifetime. He was considered the Roman poet. And where did he get there? How did he get there? He's writing, you know, Homeric stuff. He basically just kind of says, "Well, I'll just do what Homer did again." Now, he didn't just do it like he's going to steal it. He He studied Homer and he understood the music of Homer that is then bleeding

Into the Latin. That he's sucking into the Latin a powerful powerful influence. So um the uh and they are very well aware that the main characters that are their heroes in these epics um are the users and abusers of the magic that is creating this world that sex trafficking, drug trafficking

Can thrive upon. Yeah, we You need to traffic the drugs if you're going to have rites of Christing. Right? You can't just put any sort of normal cream into your eyes. You've got to put the stuff that makes the invisible visible. That's what you need.

So, you know, this is the world they're living in. Now, well, I understand the connection do you do there with the with the So, I guess it has to do a bit with um if you are initiated you will you you will understand, I guess what you are talking about. Like um he was part of Well, let's say in that case like Virgil he was Well, I know about him is like I read the Aeneid. I don't know how to how to say it in in The Aeneid, yes. Okay. Aeneid in in Spanish.

So, it's a history of I guess like after the Troy War or like it's like some epic for the Romans to have a epic history of their own upbringing or history, I guess. But when we are saying that he understood the way of doing it, we we aren't playing that he is at the same time an initiated.

Um yeah, we're implying that he's educated in Greek. That's >> So, not the same. It's not which is not the same. Yeah, whether or not Right, which is not the same. Whether or not he's an actual initiate, that's neither here nor there but a lot of them are. Right? It's not a It's not something you wouldn't admit to. Right? It's not something you keep private. So >> so so in the context you will want to you will want to be initiated. It will not be something that it will be like in closed doors, I guess. I mean Right.

Right. Right. No, it's it's something that you It's a process, right? And it's so deep. I told you it's so deep with the magic and the drugs that even the Aeneid which which speaks about Dido, the great Carthaginian queen

Dido and the beauty that is there with her relationship with Aeneas. Right? And you read that book and you thought, "Wow, that's a gorgeous scene and it's tragic because Dido kills herself." Right? And you don't realize if you read the commentators who were living at the time who were writing Roman commentators, they will tell you they will tell you um Dido is fictional.

Aeneas uh Virgil grafted Medea

Into his Roman epic and made her Dido. People knew that at the time. They had no Why? Because there's all sorts of linguistic hints to show you the connection. He's doing that on purpose.

When Julius Caesar hangs that portrait of Medea in the Temple of Venus you've got to realize you think that's a mortal with an immortal and you're not supposed to do that. It's not. It's an immortal that you know as Medea but they knew as Venus Genetrix.

Our founding creator mother.

So um what is necromancy, Ammon?

Necromancy is bringing the music of the daemon that allows you to lead the necroi. That's those the dead. And so in the invisible world that you can't see are the dead. And the dead are controllable. That you can manipulate the dead. So, I can manipulate as a magus like Odysseus I can manipulate the dead around myself or around you. I can reach out and touch you with the dead. It's the It's the power that is attributed

To the underworld or what they call the hypochthonian

Divinity. That You call it like the king of hell, something like that. It's that type of power and it's still classified as Saturnian. So, it's um it's mainstream Satanic manipulation. It's like a You know, your bark at chorus you want them to be able to bring back the dead. Right? If you're not seeing the dead you're not Imagine this, you're not going on your initiation. You're not going to the beyond if you're not interacting with those invisible dead spirits. Right? So, it's yeah, it's really a process

Um that the mystery relies upon. Hm? And Ammon um just um because of this concept that you mentioned more than once in the conversation when you say Saturnian uh I know it's probably a big topic but um what do you mean when you say Saturnian?

Yeah. The powers of the E Eon queen are Saturnian. So, Saturn is the Cronian on the Greek side.

Planted in the soil of the sickles of the native tribes in Sicily and Italy. Um it's that when you plant the mystery in that soil, that's the form that you get. So, um it really is I mean I'm straying from your question but it really is the potential in nature. One thing I don't think that I'm communicating that they

Were interested in and thought about and propagated within their religious practice is this manipulation of the what you and I would just call the laws of nature. Um that is what they're doing in order to create a world that is controlled

Or written, let's say, written by an author. You have to be able to bend the rules of nature. It's unnatural in its essence. The only way to do this are with the seeds of fire. And it's not just the religious cults that are working on the seeds of fire, so are the so are the philosophers. Because if you can understand the basic elements of the universe, you can control

The universe. Because the universe is just a cosmos. It's an order. So Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Um

So as um before to connect it with uh the whole conversation the I was asking you about necromancy. And before we were talking about the other side or this different reality. Um what is the connection with that? I mean, when when we talk about necromancy and um be able to connect with this with the death with the dead um um we're we are connecting with the same realm or I don't know how to call it, you know. Uh I mean, I'm trying to see if in in text

The connection of this other side, this aura toth, will have this connection with the the the the the the practice of necromancy. That would be Perfect question, Bruno. Perfect question cuz you mentioned Virgil. Virgil does this, right? He uses the sibyl. Right? We've got an entire book. Why does he do this? To connect us with the dead because Homer does this. Homer does the very same thing. The scholars of classical philology like to call the nekuia. So it's specifically the book of the Odyssey that has to do

With Odysseus's transgression of the invisible, his ability to make visual or visible. How do they describe it? Exposed to the rays of Helios. All right. Remember when Jesus is transformed? Right? What does it say he's transformed when he's on the mountain? It says he's transformed into Helios.

That is the power of the visible manifestation. The visible manifestation and it's only possible through the rays of Helios. The Mithraics understood this. It's kind of what they balanced their whole [\\h__\\h] cult on.

And that's what's going on is we're making visible that invisible. So, yeah, gorgeous. So the idea of necromancy is um a different discipline. It it it there's a form of doing necromancy which uh is different from what they were doing um before but they are engaging with the same

Aura toth. Yes. Yes. Yes. Odysseus is doing it through an exercise taught to him by Circe. Aeneas is doing it through an actual sibyl, a priestess herself, who takes him across the void. Right? Odysseus goes there himself by the power that Circe showed him. They both end up in the same place. It's a place of making that dead

Visible. W- And why would you want to do this in both cases? Why are these people doing this? You seriously, you got to talk to your dead grandmother? Why do you need to talk to your dead grandmother? Because it's been shown

Your dead grandmother knows everything. Wait, wait, so your dead ancestors are a source of limitless knowledge? Yes.

Your dead ancestors then become the tools that you can use to manipulate your visible reality around you. There's a reason that people really don't understand that Jesus is chasing around demons. Right? He's specifically binding these forces, these invisible forces, because he's been Christed.

And he knows the >> So he can see him he can see them. Exactly. And he can talk have information from them. Correct. And the oracle was doing the same. Correct. It's just physics. So there is a place that we are engaging with through time. With different names. Yes. >> And disciplines. Right. Mhm. And there are a lot of people through time who have spent their lives attempting to explain and explore and illustrate that world. The Greek magical papyri are is just full

Of these descriptions of the invisible and how the people interact with it. The physics is so established that I as a priest can tell you who's a new person who's about to be initiated. Right? I can give you the vision that you will encounter. I can tell you who you will see and what they will say. I can tell you how to interact with them. I can give you the magic language to manipulate them. There's this funny phenomenon that you see in the PGM that once you've broken through to that invisible realm the powers that be there

Are immediately hostile. They have to be controlled. And the way to control them is with this music \\{{}slash} language. You can switch off these gods. It's described as they will see you, become immediately hostile, and they can kill you. So what you have to do is switch the polarity so that they recognize you as not a foreign object but as one of them. It's the weirdest physics and I don't know how psychologically the person is dealing with this because you fed this this like in in the case of the Mithraic liturgy, you fed this child

These images that she will take with her on this journey. So how is that affecting her as she lays there in what appears to you and me as a coma? W- What is it that's going on here with her? That you know, is she then going to successfully employ those images that have been trained into her in order to navigate the space? Remember, it's not If you're a monist it's not just a pagan thing. Paul the Apostle is a traveler

Into the aura toth, into the invisible, and he describes it in detail. Right? As if he is outside of his own body. As if he is traveling dimensionally. So this is not something that just pagans are doing.

And I'm on um well, I bet connected with what you were saying. Um so they were engaging with something that was not random. Cuz um if you can have a like a protocol, I guess, they they had. So

There is in the text, in the evidence that this like some kind of entities or archons, I don't know how to name them or or or or or the concept of it. There is something that we can relate as um entity which is in the other side or something. Do you have something like that in text?

Yeah, they're uh they're all over the place. Oh my god, there's all like you can Okay, let's just do pole lords. You know, what is a pole lord? Well, first of all, what is a pole? That's a Greek word. Right? If you think of a globe, you can think of the two poles. Okay, that's pretty That's pretty easy for us to understand, but it's talking about the invisible cosmos, the invisible architecture.

So, there are \\{{}quote} \\{{}unquote} pole lords that will control the transit of your consciousness.

And these pole lords have to be manipulated. Just like all of these Oh god, there are divinities that will appear once you have, for example, opened the gate. Right? You're like, "What?" Once you have constructed a portal, this entity will approach you, and this is what you're telling the girl who's going to go through this right. And what you do is you repeat this expression,

And then that entity will recognize you. And sometimes these entities are things like T H E the virgin Wait, what? There are virgins coming Who is writing this? The funny thing is is you can take a thousand people, you can train them in the same way, and they will have the same experience. People think that hallucinatory experience is individual.

It's not just individual, it's group. You can create an architecture and then operate within that architecture in the right. So, in other words, you can send somebody in on a mission. And that mission can be to acquire data from the future in order to bring it back and then manipulate the timeline.

It's the weirdest It's like, "Dude, what Are these people crazy? Is there something How can you get to the point that your visions are that universal?" You can have a thousand people seeing the same what you would call you and I would call hallucination. And this this this information that this person will bring um this person will have to be uh engaging with an entity or or or with what?

What's the seed of fire and why are they so interested in it? I mean, it literally is like fuel. So, when you see depictions of arrows, the arrows are flaming. They have They contain the flux. It's like a It's like a spinthip. It's like a spark

That can ignite the invisible ether, and that's how you bring the lightning. You make all of this stuff visible with the lightning. Um when you take the sacred and make it profane, you create an imbalance in between the invisible and the invisible that creates backlash that brings lightning, and that's destruction.

And so this physics is what they're plugging into these rights where Let me Let me just say this. Imagine a right where you have 5,000 people. These people have come to you, and they have been fasting, they have been practicing their songs, they've been packing these images into their heads, >> [snorts] >> and they are at a point where they can now be initiated.

You are going to give them all the same vision. And what is it particularly historically outside of Athens? It's the image of the queen of the damned, the queen of hell herself, who is resurrected, and it is not It is these It is the single image that every initiate is allowed to divulge

To people who are not initiated. What did you see at the great rite? So, what did you see? I saw her. You're allowed to talk about her. I saw her. Right? And the art parallels

This vision, this mystic vision. So, it's almost as if the artists are pulling out the scientific details that the priesthood is revealing. They're performing The priesthood is performing the right. They're inducing the what you and I call a hallucination, what they would say is the making visible of the invisible, and they would induce this mass hallucination that has an effect. The image itself of her has an effect to change the person for the positive.

So, yeah. Mhm. So, So, what I I I'll um I would just keep just ask the question um because I understand that when I asked you about entities, well, this was the answer. But so there is um if you go if we we go further in time, like going

Um after this idea of this that that this right um I get the vibe that it was very um well performed because he was having the same um outcome or we have a protocol to do it and all of that. But I guess this continues in time and and and and we have this all of these ideas like it probably is modern ideas like these entities you encounter in the other side and you have you know is is is like a kind of um uh fascination to know about

Who are these Who are these guys, man? Who are these Is the Archons? Is the freaking You know what I mean? That's a perfect That's a perfect word you just said, fascination. From the Latin fascinum, which is that daemon of the phallus, the the erect phallus that you point in somebody's face, that priapic image. Um again from nature, right? This is a natural thing. You don't have to be certain race or ethnicity. >> Please elaborate. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> That's the power that you're calling on,

That priapic magic. Right? There's a reason that the right is sexual. There's a reason that it has to do with drugs. There's a reason that the magic is centered in this erection. The And it's not what you think. Is it It's not Remember, this is designed by women, not men. And in the temple is always this phallus. That phallus becomes that that um

Potent wand that's part of the magus's right. Yeah, where were we going? There was something beautiful I just missed there um I was going to ask you. >> I also was going like just going with the entities, you know. Cuz everybody's like fascination. I just said fascination, and yeah, we went into some other place, but but you have to understand I'm I mean but just a a small thing like the whole thing about entities is like what I what what you know we all about fascinated about it like

Is this other place and there's entities, Archons like Cuz it's different if you say you go to the sea and you can feel something in the ocean, and you will feel that you have some kind of thing, you know. But it's different if you think you're going to talk with a woman that dude is going to appear. So, obviously, you know, you know what I mean? Sounds like very stupid when I say it. But >> [laughter] >> But you know what I mean? No, like like

A good question that you're bringing up is why is Why are these images so frightening? Right? Well, remember, these are the people who wear the aegis. And the aegis is the head of that decapitated virgin that is supposed to turn you to stone. Right? Think of those images. Those are all the images that we use when we enter the invisible.

Right? Those are the logoi. Those are the reasoned proportions of the universe. And if I understood music better, that would make sense to me musically, but I don't understand it. And so, um this is the kind of, you know, this is the kind of reasoning. Now, those invisible entities

Yes, you should you Excuse me. You should be able You should be able to manipulate those. Right? That's what they do. That's what the whole rites are for. If you didn't, they wouldn't need to be trained. So, the question is there's a lot of stuff in there about the sexual magic. There's a reason the phallus is there in the middle of the temple. There's a reason that that, you know, people might say sexual energy, that John Chrysostomus calls satanic

Energy or Saturnian energy. Um that can be used. So, you should be able by the powers of manipulation. Right? You should be able to stand in front of her and to induce the song in her. A true magus

Is dangerous because he can come into the presence of her and she can spontaneously reach the height of the orgiastic right. It's a danger. Right? It's What is it? It's divine power. It's what the sons of God must keep from the daughters of men, or you end up getting giants. So, it's a it's gorgeous magic. It's it's very nice magic and it boggles my mind, Prerna, when people look at it, they think all of this stuff is not interrelated, but it is. Their spirituality, their medicine,

Their physicality, their music. Imagine, one more time I'm going to say, there is a type of music that is sexual intercourse. You didn't realize that when you're having intercourse, that it is a musical act.

So, that's, you know, it's a different way of thinking about the world and it makes sense that there are people like Cersei who develop things, develop drugs and use them on people in order to gain a certain vision

Of of the world. So, when when when we go further and we go to times of Christianity, not Christianity even, before one of the sect the the Christian sects are operating. And want to keep following the the the aurators

In times of Christian ideas. Um this continue to happen. What is the relationship with the Christian sects sect or sects with with this aurators? Are they engaging with it? Is part of their their ideas, religion?

Yeah, that that's a brilliant question and I can only tell you what I've seen that has the same language of the ancient mystery. And that's a couple of examples. One is during Vlad the Impaler's Yeah, um rule, there is a prince who is following him and writing Orphic poetry. It's one example that uses ritual

And ritual terminology through the Latin. So, um was Marullus This guy's name is Marullus. Was he aware of the right um he wrote about it. So, >> [sighs] >> I think it's only, you know, um given that he at least had knowledge of what they did in antiquity if it didn't apply to what he was actually practicing. But, the Crusaders

The Crusaders with the Templars, they were doing the same thing. The accusations against them were all the same thing. And the purple stains in their underpants All All of that and the taint and the licking of the taints and the licking of the penis head All of that is passing the purple between the Templars. Raising up the head of Baphomet, which Matia is the Etruscan title for Medea. Right? So, that baptism of the Matia of the Medeia Wanassa is in the very name of the [\\h__\\h] head that they were carrying around that they said they dug

Out of the temple of Jerusalem. So, um are they doing things that are mimicking the rites? Yeah, they are. The other one is witches. You can read in the witch trials and you can see the pagan mystery elements in the witch trials. And strangely enough, the sexual element remains strong. In addition to the drugs, the sex and drug connection is strong so that you see these \\{{}quote} witches

Who are performing these \\{{}quote} satanic acts that are enabling them to do things like go to the witches' banquet. And if you've never been to the witches' banquet, it's the same place that Arthur was taken when he was injured in battle, some say killed, and then resurrected by the local Morgan, the local witch that was the adjunct of Satan himself.

So, he um [snorts] the rite is directly reflected in the language once again. So, those are three examples, yeah. Amazing examples. And and So, um to like just to give a bit of context or not a context, but just a question to elaborate not to elaborate also. Like just to make this idea together. Um Can you just give us an idea of this transition from these ideas that we were talking about before and this new world that we're talking about now? Like there is something that happened in between, I guess. Like it was this monotheistic idea that changed

Everything. So, I'm not asking you to give us a whole lecture about the transition, but >> [snorts] >> when we talk about the aurators of these ideas, the the the the ideas of the connection with initiation rites, everything that we're talking um once the world

Kind of not the world, let's say the ideas were prohibited kind of thing. Like when the the empire becomes Christian and, you know, because I guess that what we're talking about now is after when the Roman Empire becomes Christian, I guess. Like all of these examples you just gave us. So, can you just elaborate um to have an idea of this transition? How how it happened, you know? What How this whole ideas of initiation

This is your society and then you have this Okay, not anymore. Now I have just one God. Um what happened with all of these ideas of initiation and connection with the aurators to keep going? >> Yeah. You can't have the connection with the invisible if you can't go through Aphrodite. The saying that the Greek speaking world has what had was Dionysus always leads to Aphrodite.

So, that made the Wanassa, that Bronze Age queen overseer

Is present like a pattern in nature. She will always become re-inflamed

And enter into the invisible. You will always have psychic uprisings. Monism, particularly Christianity, stifled that on the drug front, on the ritual front, even on the music front. We can see in John Goldenmouth Chrysostomus, right? We can We can see the stifling of that particular type of music that induces the vision. So, you and I are today are living in a world where all the basic elements of enabling you to use your visionary natural abilities.

Right? Because they're initiating everybody. Right? Doesn't matter. Right? No matter where you're from, doesn't matter what you're They don't have an IQ test when you walk in the door. Right? They don't have any sort of, you know, test to see how many thetans you got or [\\h__\\h] like that. Right? No, it's something sewn into the nature

Of our own existence that this can this eidolon, this image can be re-ignited, can re- assert itself. And um And And at some point at some point um this changed.

To what? Yeah. What do you get? You get a loss of the protection of the virgin. You get a loss of democracy. Right away. When When you see like Libanius talks about roving bands of Christian monks

Who will enter into a state and will see um people in the estate burning incense, you know, in front of images of divinities, right? And will then declare that the estate belongs to the church rightfully and no longer to the people who've lived there for centuries. So, it's a process. You say, "How did it happen?" It's a process of appropriation and genocide. You have to genocide the culture that's there. And that pagan culture recognizes nature. So, you've got to have apostles who are walking around saying, "You must

Ignore nature." It's not important what you can reason or what you can see. It's important what you believe. Faith is a monist product. You don't have faith as a a as a follower of Dionysus. As a maenad right? Doing your maenad thing with all your maenad women following your rights, trying to stay within the law. Um you are not bound by anything but the cult divinity.

And >> [sighs] >> is that what enabled them to go the extra mile? Because you and I don't go to communion and have sex. We don't go to communion. It's funny, the early Christians did and nobody portrays this. Nobody portrays early Christian rites. Yeah, that that I'm sorry I'm but can can can can we just go a bit on it? Like uh this early Christian ideas because I guess they was not like just from like one year to another, you know? It It became monism in time.

So, first um Christian ideas or whatever, probably they were doing something very similar like the mysteries and and and and and doing it in their own um I don't know. Um as they were doing it, I guess. You know what I mean? We We take communion. We turn the lights off. We take our clothes off. And we enter into the orgiastic right. Now, if I happen to have sex with a sister or cousin

That's all covered. It's sanctified within the right the Christian right itself. This is what the Romans were arresting people for because incest to them was off the table. That was definitely illegal. They weren't going to justify. They didn't care what you were worshipping. But if you're going to enter an orgy with your children mhm you know, you're not doing it right. And it's a violation, right? Mhm. So So, it wasn't not just one idea of of Christians. No. It was a bunch of Okay. Yeah, and we

Know that. We know that, Bernal, because we have sources that tell us about all the different sects of Christianity ad nauseam. And you'd be surprised at what a high percentage of these cults or sects cults that they're still retaining an element of the sexual practices. It's so widespread the every Christian author says, "Get the all of the botanae, all the plants, take them out of the communion." So, anyhow, we talked about that little bit, but remember you were asking about these entities, the these invisible entities.

There's an entire physics to determining what those entities are. I mean, you talk about humans and aliens and now you talk about this type of alien, this list person. Right? That is infantile in comparison to the science of the invisible world with all of its entities. Right? And people think, "Oh, you're talking Harry Potter." And oh god, these big angels with wings. No. You're talking about the forces around you right now sitting there that can influence and will influence you.

This is why a magus can put an image in your brain. Why from a distance? You can be sitting This is the idea. >> [snorts] >> And if you want to get into the Mormo Lykean, that's really where the entity from which this power comes. >> I'm on Please, the other day I was trying to find the word because I was translating a conversation we had. And you talked about her. And it's impossible to find the word, so I just I just put ancient Greek or whatever. I don't

Remember, but yeah. Is a Is a her, isn't it? Yes. And remember they're interacting with the language that is magical, that is based in Greek. But the pronunciation of it, the creation of its song causes an effect on the invisible forces around you. So, that's why Jesus can walk around saying, "In the name of so-and-so I command this and that." He's manipulating the same forces, but one of these forces that Mormo Lykean is combined with a tradition of entering into that dream zone of the pubescent

Child. So, imagine that. There is an entity in the world whose satanic energy, whose Saturnian energy radiates from the pubertal development itself. That energy can be manipulated and expressed so that you suddenly are surrounded

By those who would vampirically feed off of that very same energy. Right? You can go to bed tonight, lay down in bed, and I can send that Mormo Lykean, that devouring child-devouring source. Right? Because that's what happens. In that development of that Adis right? To the Adonis there is a loss. And that Mormo Lykean is the physical invisible

Cosmic force that I as a magus can manipulate. Medea is killing from a distance. Was only a killing from a distance because it involved the manipulation of those forces. Right? Otherwise, it's impossible. The person's way over there in a different country. Right? How can I do this? It's a physics that you don't need to calculate distance for. And I'm telling you, when you are able to induce a consistent vision, when you are able to create a situation where an eidolon a statue can speak

To a crowd, a diverse crowd, and that crowd can record the same spoken um vocalizations. When you're able to do that, you're working with the you're manipulating something there on a grand level. And it wasn't just the Greek um mysteries that were able to do this. The Egyptian mystery claimed the same power. And especially the power of what they called motivation.

Right? How do you make that? You walk into a creepy dark temple, right? You're standing there and here's the statue of the lion-headed goddess. You and I look at that as tourists, we don't get it. But, if you were Christed and interacting with the invisible in spirit form, that image takes on a power that Yeah, okay. It could change a life. It could change the way you look at the world. So, um I think it's I think it's frightening and it's depicted that way as for a reason.

Um all of these Medusae, all of these four these monster faces, that haka that does gorgeous m- gorgeous gorgeous Maori bring to the world that haka is the same thing. It's that demon invisible force. If I could send a haka to someone who's sleeping and rah and get them, right? And pull them out of You've been there. You've been in that dream. You've been pulled out by the These are forces that you can actively manipulate so that you can cause This is the cool one. You can

Cause people to say things. Right? Without prompting them. You can introduce logo. You can introduce sentiments into their thumos. You can introduce an idea without saying it, without repeating it, without I can just do it from a distance.

Why would I even want to do that kind of thing? I suppose just to see what the connections are in the universe. But, I'm going to practice it by taking my cousin who really is in love with that girl and I'm going to implant in her mind love for him back. Right? You think, well, this is just for romantic stories. No. The entire story the narrative of Medea, right? Is that she was one of those abducted priestesses who who had to be there for the stupid great kid

To be able to finish his [\\h__\\h] quest. She had to basically do it for him. Right? Don't think that they weren't using the image of that core that priestess who is invisible, that muse is invisible around you.

You see? It's just a part of It's just a part of nature.

So, I'm going to um Well, I have our last block. This This was amazing. Last one, which is the most important one, I guess. So, um But, just to keep going in time before our last um questions, um I think it's interesting to to to go as far as we go to the Byzantine because um I've I've been talking I've You have You have told me. Like sometimes the we we don't talk about the Byzantine the Byzantine text. We we left them behind. It's too modern or whatever.

So, as we are talking about the Orators and this idea of this place or well, this other reality. So, what in a nutshell, what what can we say about the Byzantine the Byzantines? Were Were they talking about this after all of those years before classical

Greece, you know, um all of this time because well, when we say Byzantine, we're talking about a thousand from a thousand Anno Domini and forward, I guess. Six or No, you you could go back a little bit earlier. Five or 600 is when you begin to see that Byzantine Greek kind of move in. And that's how classical philologists are classifying the literature, right? Um it's not Byzantine because it's a particular century. It's Byzantine because it's Byzantine Greek. And it's got a different flavor to it. And the Christianity has come to a point

Where it is silencing the spread of the knowl- that classical knowledge. But, there are some people, mostly grammarians, who have to stay close to that ancient Greek so that they can build a a a a new world based upon its tech. They They're really preserving this tech of seeing the invisible, which is being actively stifled. So,

These Byzantine Greek writing authors who are exposing themselves to the ancient Greek that has to do with this mystery, they're passing on the knowledge. They're perpetuating it. Michael Psellus is a good example. He's writing about demonology. He's writing about the incubus. He's writing about all of those invisible powers. He manages to keep spreading it

In a way that makes it look like he's studying it. He's taking it apart. Right? Instead of promoting it. And in that way, he gets away with um with with um revealing forbidden knowledge.

You know, there's a fight in the fifth and sixth centuries. There's a fight between Christian educational sources and pagans. And Christians do not want certain things taught. Any of that pagan stuff, they're they're they don't want that taught anymore in schools. They don't want Homer to be the basis for that. And they're causing the grammarians to lose footing.

So, um at the time in the fifth and sixth centuries, there's what authors appear who seem to be Christian so that they can get past the censors. And then they write about pagan things kind of buried underneath the Christian facade. Nonnus is one of these. And um what do they call them? They call them crypto pagans.

So, they're really pagans passing on the knowledge through the written word. But, in order to get that knowledge, they kind of have to cover it over with a Christian facade.

It's a secretive way of passing on that mystery. And if you just take Nonnus, for example, and look through, he writes the longest Greek epic in this crazy Homeric Greek that's over a thousand years old by the you know, 1,500 something like that. A long time. Dude is He's way beyond Homer. But, he's able to go back to it. He's able to reproduce the incantatory.

Um So, he's incorporating this Orphic terminology. He's creating new words. Every third word is a new word that he has created. The capacity here is amazing. And it's it's an epic. He wrote an epic about Dionysus.

So, you can take individual episodes of this epic and you can just lift them out of the text and analyze them for the cult terminology that is being used and it lines up perfectly with the Orphic initiatory mystery.

Um um um the very base and root of Mithra, the worship of Mithra, who is the predecessor of Mithras. Yeah. Yeah, and we talk about Mithra and the um we're talking about what time just to time frame it for my next question. We're talking about Roman times.

Late Anno Domini. No, all the way back to late Bronze Age. I would say No, but all the way all the way all the way from the time of Medea to the time that Julius Caesar hung her portrait in the Temple of Venus. That whole time, the cult is operating. Okay. Yeah. Cuz the other day I was talking about the Mithraic liturgy and there was this discussion about like this is from Roman times, this is from, you know, Yeah. Right. People think Right. People think Because it was so heavily associated

With the Roman aristocracy and particularly the military, it was so embedded in their practices that, of course, you know, you know, it got a reputation for being Roman. But, it's a Roman adoption. It's a Roman adoption and it is sitting snugly. Mithraism sits very snugly

In the Echidnaic rites because you are following those granddaughters

Of the sun. The initiation all has to do with Helios. It's all over the magic. It's all over the rites. It's all over the literature. It's in the music. It's everywhere. So, for people to say you can't put things together and you can't really see what's going on in the mysteries, that's cuz you haven't read enough so primary sources.

As we were talking about entities or whatever. So, obviously comes this idea of um Lucifer or Satan, you know? Um also because of everything we were talking about and I've been seeing it everywhere now in internet or whatever. Now, I'm sure you have seen it also like nowadays like Saturnian, Satan, you know, it's Cronus is the the, you know, the hexagon in Saturn, the cube on the head of the rabbi or whatever, you know. A lot of freaking stuff happening. So, as we are talking about entities, so the question I I I I

I did it. My phone just died, so I just remember. It's like um Well, we're when we talk about Lucifer, who is is somebody? Is an energy? Is a concept? What is or who is Lucifer?

Lucifer is the best-looking. He's going to bring you to orgasm. And when you go there, your eyes will be opened. This is the way. It's part of nature. And it is there for your benefit because the Archon that rules your world

Is a child-trafficking, child-raping reflection of your reality. That balance between the mirror, between the image that you're looking at and your actual skin, is what is your present. So, um we as a collective group are experiencing

That invisible magic around us to the extent that we are drawing the Satanic epithumia.

That desire. That desire of the great mother to destroy the child and bring the adult. That desire of the dragon to consume the seed of the virgin. Those eidola can be expressed in the reality around you.

And that's what we do. That's what we're here to do. If we're going to keep Tartarus going, then we're going to have to make the invisible visible. So, um it's you can see the philosophy Yeah, yeah. >> behind Well, it's connected with everything where we have been talking. Um but let's say if somebody will say [clears throat] just 20 seconds now of an answer, who is Lucifer?

Lucifer is the one who refuses to lie.

Lucifer is the standard of justice. Lucifer is the one who exposes you to the rays of the sun. Think about that for a minute. You're not a human of the 21st century with computers and cars. You're a [\\h__\\h] living organism looking at your world, seeing the sun, and that sun illuminates. It gives you an understanding even of yourself as you look at yourself in the rays of the sun, and you construct that magic mirror, that Bacchic mirror in front of you to see who am I? Everything in your life is that question, who am I? The mystery

Is the healing that you have to have. It's how the cycle works. It's why you're here. It's why I'm here. It's why little babies get blown up. It's why old people set themselves on fire. It's why we kill each other in the streets, suicide by cop. It's why that's there. So, the Remember, the invisible world shows you the connections. If you could see it, you would understand how Eros works.

You can't see it, Bruno. I can't see it. I haven't been through it. I haven't seen the great risen dead. I haven't seen her. Right? This process, the one message I would like to really get across is this process is a natural religious process, a process of knowledge,

Education, and liberation. That's how they expressed it. Liberation. It will free you from your own unreality. It'll give you the reality. Now, I can send that to you, Bruno. I can send that in a magical form, or I can send that to the whole world.

Do you see why magi got executed? When Jesus and his apostles are operating, they're being accused of being magi all over the Apocrypha. Why? Because they are bringing the images of reality. They are controlling everyone from a distance. Right? Whether that distance is in time or not, Jesus has his hand up your backside, my backside.

That's how the magic works. It's ionic. It is not chronic. It's ionic. Right? You would know that if you had been initiated and had seen or you would know that if you read what those who had been initiated and seen, what they had experienced. So, you and I can benefit. We can still see that invisible world. We can still learn how to manipulate that invisible world.

Right? But, we're doing it in a secondary. Kind of like we're feeding off the radiation rather than getting the original energy source. We're just feeding off the, you know, little bits of radiation. So, but it's still magic and it still can manipulate the world around you. It um Let me put it this way. One of the things that the Bacchic Maenads

Produced, not only this language, they produced this language for being Bacchic, and we can't even translate that. But, one of the things that they produced was this awareness. Excuse me. This awareness of this power. Um this ability to control from a distance that was so scary that their um political

Manipulation became obvious as a as a means of spreading insanity. What am I trying to say? The magical power that I want to tell you about that's in these texts that's consistent, that's usable,

Is the induction of mania. Bacchic Maenads can make you crazy. Dionysus in leading you to Aphrodite can make you crazy. They can turn up the heat. They can cause you And why do they need to do this? Because that's how ecstasy works. You can enter ecstasy and kill your whole family.

Do you understand? This is not good and evil. This is the natural processes of the universe. You can enter into ecstasy and slaughter your family. The Heracles. Exactly. And who is the Magus? Heracles is the Magus.

So, um that's a necessity. That insanity, that murderous insanity, is a necessary product byproduct of the cult of Bacchus. And as a Magus, you can induce this insanity.

You can create it. You can bring somebody to a place without without talking to them visibly. You can bring them to a place of insanity. Why? Because think about it. If I've been there or I've been with somebody who's been there, and I know how to pull these strings. I know how to cause Oh, look, if you pull here, that person is affected over there. I know eventually how to affect the people around me. And I become dangerous. And the Romans want me to [\\h__\\h] out of Rome when I get to this level of development. And that's how it's

Described. It's a fostering, a development of your awareness. Once you become aware of pulling these strings, what do you think's going to happen? You're going to walk into that interview, and she's going to sit there across from you, start asking you questions, and turn into a orgasmic, screaming, massive joy.

Right? Because you know all the strings. That's the power of the Magus. And that's the power that the religion. And again, look, it's about sex. Yes, Bacchus leads to Aphrodite. And if Aphrodite is God,

Think about it. If Aphrodite is God, you want to have sex. It's not something you do as a guilty pleasure. It's something that you do to make yourself healthy. Imagine if having sex could make you healthy. People should be having healthy things that they're doing with each other. Add some dance and some music, and we've got [\\h__\\h] ancient choruses, democratic choruses

With female leaders of oracles who were guiding the world to democracy. And how is this all happening? Through an act of sex guided by plants and animal toxins. It's completely natural, organic, 100% beauty.

100% Organic and beautiful. And so, I mean um So, when when we say Lucifer like in in in the common conversation of course you you will relate it with um with the same idea of Satan, I guess. So, Eosphorus. If you want Lucifer as source, Eosphorus. I was just talking about Lucifer. When I mentioned Aphrodite, I was talking about Lucifer. Remember Venus, the morning star?

That's Lucifer. So, you think devil, Lucifer, Satan, and you think one way because of how we are programmed. They are thinking, putting all sorts of different images together. And when they think Lucifer, they think the bringer of dawn, which is a specific invisible entity within the Auratos. >> Oh, that's perfect, Ammon, cuz that's the the the question as is written. It's like so we can relate all of this conversation about the Auratos with this energy or entity which now we call Lucifer. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Right. And did you know the Romans

Had a version they called Lucifer? And that was Artemis. She was their dawn bringer. Right? Because they understood the Aphroditic nature of the dawn bringer. They understood that Venus was Venus. Right? They didn't think male devil. They didn't Right? They understood the invisible element. She is the Epithumia. She is the desire. And that's the energy, the inner Gaia of Satan. Is that desire. So, same person. So, you said same person. Or same energy or connected. I mean, we understand a bit this Lucifer.

Um And and and Satan seems to be an energy. It is also an entity I guess I'm going to just going to give you the the question like probably the same answer. Who is Satan?

Satan is the reality. Satan is what you feel when you see that person from a distance and you desire that person. Jesus identified that. He identified that power or entity. He identified that. It's better for you not to encounter that. If the eye in your If the light in your eye is single. Oh God.

Right? All of this is using the language of the mystery, of the architecture of these invisible entities. Who is Satan? Satan is the reality that you refuse to embrace. Your worship of a rapist >> [snorts] >> is a reflection of you. What you're seeing around you is a reflection of you. The magic is generating

Your own image. That is, the right is being activated. So, that you know, when you go to the initiation, you see the great resurrected queen of the underworld, whose name we don't even say. We just call her the Kora, the virgin.

That same power that brings her can be activated outside of a priesthood. Wait a minute. You mean I can construct a cup outside of a priesthood? I can bring you Lady Babylon who has mystery

On her forehead, her metope. Her forehead itself contains the mystery.

I don't need a priesthood, and that's the danger. Bacchus always wins because Bacchus is spontaneous, right from nature. You can have all the doctrine you want in the world. Ultimately, she will win out. Lady Babylon will conquer.

Otherwise, Jesus wouldn't want to be the morning star. Isn't it Have you considered Bruno? Consider this. Jesus in Revelation in the Bible is taking on the morning star. He says, "I'm the morning star. I'm the bright morning star." We just discovered who that was with Lucifer. We just saw her, Venus. We saw her, the devil. And this is what Jesus wants to be. He wants to be her. Think about his right with the boys.

What kind of satanic energy or Epithumia do you have to have to make the mystery work with male children?

That's what Jesus has. That's why he is the morning star. That's the Venus that brings that kid to sexual maturity. That's the Christ. You say the Christ You mean the devil is the she? Yes, and the Christ is the power that the devil uses.

It's a For people to see this, it's all over the text. And for people For people to see it as an act of magic, you have to make clear what is being obscured. Well, Ammon, actually um I was reading the other day the this this part of the Apocalypse. Cuz I I was seeing this Yeah, you were talking about the broth.

So, I just took my my Bible that I inherited from my um grandfather. And yeah, I I I started read the Apocalypse and yeah, actually says like um he has like a belt on his chest. That's the way you see you will read it in you will read it in Spanish. So, does this has anything to do with what you were saying? Yeah, he says in the Greek it says he's got it on his master, on his breasts because Jesus has boobies. And why was why did he need boobies? Why is he

Wearing a bra in the Apocalypse, right? Why is Jesus wearing a bra in the Apocalypse? It's because that isn't any just ordinary bra. That's the bra of the morning star. That thing is device

That collects exudate from the breasts of the god or the priestess who wears it in service to the god. They could take that thing off and whip you with it. It would capture that seed

That essence that nourishment. What is it in the milk of the woman? It's nourishment. It's for building. They're applying the same thing to the invisible world, to that initiatory space. They're implying that they're they're applying the same thing. The fact that milk

Can build when Zeus himself leaves his mother's incubator her cave and comes into the world he must take of the milk of the virgin.

It's the only way that we're going to get Ericthonius to be divine. Every virgin knows that. All right, I said that and you could hear a little bit of people will get that and that every virgin knows that. How do you quench the fire of the virgin, says the priestess. Wait a minute, what I think I'm getting into things that I don't want to get into.

>> [Laughter] >> There is there is a scaffolding of the physics of magic going on that when I hear certain things or you hear certain things from that we can pick up right away on what the daemon is. If we can recognize those daimoness, we can manipulate them.

So, that's how we create around us. You use that same satanic energy that Jesus was feeding on. You use that and project that into the world. When Jesus takes the hand of that 12-year-old girl and raises her out of a coma

Back to be born again, that healing act of the Christed Yesus, savior, the one who is healing right? That is the the cry. That's why Eve is called the shout. Right? They're using the same machinery and you and I don't see it. We can't see it, but it's active out there and it's available. People can access this according to you know, that's why you've got people like Iamblichus trying to write a trying to write a Pythagorean manual for the specific entities

Right? Who populate the invisible cosmos. I can tell you of a dozen entities that float around your bed at night. >> Please. Please do. Please do. [laughter] Just give us four.

Okay, fantastic. There is a feminine entity that wants to consume seed and there is a masculine entity that wants to transfer seed. And you think, wait a minute, those aren't necessarily the same thing. No, there's those are not opposites. That's how the universe is working. And um

What's his name, the Byzantine scholar I was just talking about? He got it, Nick, I think it's He got it and um those witches who were using these very practices of harvesting daimoness cuz that's what you have to do. When you use the cream and you put it on your armpits, you put it on your vagina, you use the wand the medicated wand to enter into that epithymia to do that satanic performance. Right? And people say, oh, satanic performance, satanic performance. And they think, oh, it's a bunch of creeps in their basement with this and that. [\\h__\\h] Right? That

Satanic performance is you being able to enter into that invisible space. If you're not doing that, you're not doing a satanic performance. And what you're doing is of no effect. So I think it's important to make, you know, to make a an allowance for realism here. And if they weren't doing it in antiquity um and it had nothing you're talking about things that have nothing to do with the right that are a weird hybrid of of, you know, monism and some kind of reaction to it called Satanism. None of that stuff is historical. It's all

[\\H__\\h] But if you want to see what they were actually doing, you have to understand those invisible connections. And um those spirits that are around your bed, um I talked about two that are different, you know.

Manipulators of seed. Um there is also a daemon >> [sighs and gasps] >> who can enter you Listen, this is the physics. A And this is all over the place. This is not one description. There is a daemon that has power and access to you like many daimoness at the time of twilight.

The time of twilight is the time of Eosphoros, which is the Greek earlier name for the Romans turned into Lucifer.

That Eosphoros, if you want to call that individual Satan that's fine. But that individual has that power only during the pre-light, only during this period when the rays of the sun are not direct. So, there isn't It's like they thought that there was an window. This is the time that the dawn bringer operates. When the earliest Christians met was at twilight because the quality of the light is different. Twilight avoids the direct

Sunlight and thereby opens up a necromantic window. You can release the souls of the dead in the twilight. And that's why the earliest Christians when they meet when they meet to sing hymns to the dead, they are singing them at dawn. They meet before the sun is up. It's in the Bible. Right? It's why people have church in the morning on Sunday. Right? Or Saturday. It's why they have that early morning service.

So, they were um So, there there are entities that they were engaging with. Yeah, and if you don't if it bothers you that there entities think about it as just the natural physics. That when you're sleeping tomorrow morning, Bruno there's a wall there's a short segment of time when the dawn bringer can access you. And this is specifically a time of vision.

It's a time when you can you can even wake up, so to speak, open your eyes and not be able to move. It is a phenomenon of that power sitting upon your chest. Right? If it's the Mormo Lucan you're dead. If it is the Lucifer you're in a place of having your eyes opened. Right? Remember Eve and Adam? Right? They were taken to the very same place. It's where all of us must go.

And remember the drugs are the assistants. So, if you enter into that stage under the influence of a specific plant right? Or a or a shelled organism right? Or a venom then what you're doing is you're creeping in through that daemon cuz that snake has a daemon, too. Right? I can go to You'll love this. I can go to the Oratose. I can go to the invisible.

If I am charged with the snake diamond, the entities there will see it and they'll treat me differently. If I don't go with the snake, they'll treat me in a different way. So, think about this. You can program the way that people will treat your initiates. The way that the invisible entities will treat your initiates is determined by how you train the initiate. Whatever chemicals you are using, because those plants, remember, they have the diamond in them. Do you want the diamond of the mandrake? Because the witches use the diamond of the mandrake to access the epithumia of the devil, and that's

Dangerous. It works, but it's dangerous. Right? So, um that kind of, you know, you can use those spirits. Ultimately, a witch then can cast herself right through that satanic pre-dawn window, right into your head. It's the weirdest thing in the world. Even to the point that they're writing about um what we would call What do we call that? Spontaneous emission.

Right? [laughter] So, there is a developmental phase. That's what how we call it, yeah. Right? Where where developing uh males will have spontaneous, not They call it spontaneous nocturnal emission. Right? You can explain the physics of that, because it's all unseen.

So, you can figure out the physics of why that is, that a kid will go through a spontaneous emission and wake up having entered a world of, "Oh my god, what the hell was that?" Right? Yeah. Because there's a diamond behind it, and you can be a creep. And you can ride that diamond like it's an Uber.

This is what Jesus was trying to cast out. Do you understand? There is healing that has to take place, and the only way to do it is to cast out that force, that entity, that power, to get rid of it. If your eye offends you and you're at the grocery store tomorrow looking at the ladies, Bruno, and you're like, "Oh, zoom, zoom, zoom, right?" Huh? I love it. It's better for you to get rid of that epithumia by taking out your own eyeball. That's what Jesus is telling to kids.

So, blessed are the eunuchs. Why is he doing it? Cuz you need the energy from that kid. You need the satanic energy. There's something Donald Trump needs from prepubescent girls that he is getting, that is feeding him. Right? Oh god. What kind of power is it? So, this idea that you have um a problem since you are born is not a sa- a satanic idea. Yeah, no. No, no, no. Right? What is Bacchus meant to do? He's meant to purge you. If you're a pervert and I'm working

For the devil, my job is to bring out your perversion and punish it. That's what Bacchus does. He brings out Pentheus's perversion and punishes it. It happens to be his death. And you have to understand, see, if you've seen the other side and you've seen the risen queen, you know what justice is, you know the punishment of these people, the punishment of the pedos, the pervs, and the genocidal people. Their punishment is your responsibility.

That magic is meant to punish them. So, you look at it in the way that um peop- Some people are drawn I'll give you this. Some people are drawn to that satanic energy. Some people are drawn to it. They don't even realize it. And as soon as they come for it, you can smell the thirst. It's like they have a thirst to drink that blood. They They're like vampires, and they want to drink that blood, and you can sense that in them and feed [clears throat] them

In a way that they don't even realize that you're feeding them. Why? Because you're bringing out their punishment. We are here for punishment. That's what the magic is. This It's why this is that kingdom of darkness. It's black knight who rules here. And you think that's bad, cuz you think in terms of bad and good, not in terms of having been to the other side, having seen the queen of night, and having come back with the new mission of punishing everyone

For their pollution. Right? What That That instinct that you've got, Bruno, to punish the pedophiles, right? You find out that the leader of Israel, former leader of Israel, president of the United States, prince of England, you find out that these people are harming children. You have a natural instinct to stop that. Right? The magic is enabling you to stop that. Right? That's why it's used. That's why it's sacred. That's why the witches are protecting that sacred relationship. They're killing off that child to create the adult. So, I think it's I

Think it's beautiful, and the thing is people come to me a lot and they say, "What did you do here?" And um you caused me to have this problem. Right? The first thing I think in my head is, "Maybe you [\\h__\\h] deserved it." The lady who was in prison, maybe she deserved to be there for to pay whatever crime that she was paying for. Right? Just because you're suffering the effects doesn't mean you shouldn't.

Right? Right.

I'm going I'm going to have have harvest you till the end. 5 minutes. >> [laughter] >> Harvest me one last What? One last question? And then I must be off to fly on my wings of the devil. No. So, I'm going to give you a quick one. Yeah, a quick one. Let's see if I can answer it. So, um can you give us an idea of what the biblical apocalypse means?

Yeah, it's it's the complete revelation. It's your ability to see the invisible. Right? What is going to happen? The veil will be removed. Your children will dream dreams and see visions. We will have the return of the Antichrist's supremacy, the dragon released. All of this coming to you from the music and these images in your head all pointing to one thing, to the revelation. It is an apocalypse, a revealing. It is taken the hidden. That's what it means. You know that. Apokalupto. To kalupto in Greek is to hide

Something, to cover it up. Apokalupto is to unhide it, to take it out of its covering and to show it to the world. The mystery initiation is an apocalypse.

The oracular vision rights are an apocalypse. So, what is the apocalypse? It is the functioning mystery, so that everybody sees the invisible. Think about it. If you dump all that knowledge onto some onto the mass population, so that they suddenly wake up, they download all the information of what it is to be dead, and are suddenly revived, that level of consciousness is complete and total destruction.

The apocalypse leads to the vision of destruction. That degrading mastering power for the cosmos just to be collapsed in one revelation, in one exposure, in one coming to knowledge. You know, when people came through the mysteries, it was so emotional. Sometimes they would have breakdowns

And have to go talk to physicians about the breakdown that they're having. Why? Because the vision When that vision comes through, that awareness comes through, it's almost like our vessels are incapable of really retaining it. So, um as a final answer to your final question.

The apocalypse is the coming to know the real. It is the expression of the real.

Things that you don't understand will become [music] understood and you will be afraid. Oh god, I love it. I love it. Don't you love that creepiness? Yeah, the creepiness is the best of it. Love it. >> [laughter]