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Transcript: The Witches Symposium 02： The Entheogenic Salon
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Foreign Symposium So today we're joined by uh Gunk retch and Dion as well as special guests Neil from Gnostic informant and Ammon from Lady Babylon say hi everyone what's going on where are you
[Laughter]
Yeah so today's episode we're going to be focusing on discussing in theogens and sort of their place within the magical tradition and um how we our perspective on them in general so we're going to just start off by presenting a basic definition so in theogen is a chemical substance typically of animal or plant origin that is ingested to produce a non-ordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes
So who wants to jump in What are you guys perspectives on in theogens well our screen has got really dark all of a sudden I'll just make one point I'll jump out there first um my one slight short point would be well it's not a let's expand that they're not just ingesting they are also putting it in their bottom or they are fumigating doing a lot of this fumigation man getting all the vapors and whatnot they're also cutting their skin and applying drugs directly that way so
There's a whole lot yeah in addition to the snorting that they do you know that's another one all right
All the yogic practices and ecstatic dancing right like that's also connected so yeah it seems like if there's a way to take the drugs they found it applying ointment to the eyes whatever they'll they'll do it
To just about every kind of ancient magical practice right like they're kind of intrinsic to all these different Traditions across the globe right like we see them show up everywhere yeah and the Minoans too even going back to the Bron the iron or what is it what's before the Bronze Age copyright not a copyright is it a Copper Ridge Stone Age Stone Age yeah no isn't the one between Stone Age and brown well even if there is or not they were using copper before bronze that's what it was okay yes we had that you had that small
Little age before the Bronze Age called The Copper age the Minoans that's their time period right that's where the end Comer says there's 90 cities the Palazzo games inhabited there and that that's where all the civilization comes from even the Egyptians in their texts are like who are these sea peoples where are they coming from and people are like it's probably the Minoans dude but anyways um what I was getting with the drugs thing is even in their archeology shows that they had highly advanced in in drugs and and knowing which plants to use purple purp the whole purple thing
Comes from the Minoans they brought that's who the Phoenicians learned it from the Minoans I didn't know this so recently how come and how common was it the very word for which is the word it's based on the word for drug right a witch is just somebody who knows how to use drugs and all the famous witches are called polypharmicon right so yeah drugs right there you're right Snappy and there's this really awesome like when we were doing our uh episode yesterday Dion you were telling me about this amazing book
You're reading I think I'm trying to remember the guy's name Lee Fields and he was talking about that primordial Bronze Age religion and how it's all based around these cultiv drugs and these Cults of death can you elaborate on that well that would be yesterday we were talking about uh growing the mushroom on a decomposing human body and that they would put the spores onto the bodies when they would bury him and when that would fruit that would be a type of a Sacrament connected to their
Ancestors and the author's name is Lee Earl Lee you know if you want you want to check them out uh it's very radical stuff but there is forms of mushrooms that naturally grow on top of decomposing bodies uh one it's called the ghoul fungus in Australia and it's connected to the uh eucalyptus eucalyptus Groves and like kangaroos are the the little animals if they die there in the Grove when the body's decomposing these natural uh mushrooms Sprout out of the body and so it's totally possible to uh
You know have mycelium fruit out of a decomposing human body 100 percent yo and and I'm not trying to um I just wanted to look this up so I can clarify real quick and then I'll get back to what you guys are talking about the oldest so I'm looking at the cities that are inhabited from our like based on archeology of copper age so this is before the Bronze Age and uh the oldest one guess which one it is I didn't even know this I just looked it up just now
The city of nasos goes back to 7000 BCE of being inhabited so the reason the reason why I'm so fixated on these people are in this this little island called Crete is they had so much
So much use of different plants and and uh and Venoms and drugs and I don't know what they called it maybe it was just all magic and Witchcraft at this point but like we divide those terms up now into science into um into Pharma pharmacology we call it we call it and then magic oh what is that that's what is that taking out taking a rabbit out of a hat that's that's weird like no this is the same exact thing people have been noticing these connections for such a long time
Right like I keep thinking like we're talking about early has been identifying Manoa and harappa right as these Central areas India and Greece is the central areas for these Cults of these drugs and these Cults of death and also Carl Ruck talks about this too right because when he first gets started he's doing his essays and then he sends them to Wasson and Watson is doing what he's studying The Vedas and he's studying India and these Harappan cities and they make that direct connection that they're proud
Seeing the same religion right in minoan Crete and in in harappa you know and so this is like an ongoing tradition and we also see parallels in Egypt and in summer it's like this primordial ancient religion that a lot of people are are finally starting to recognize and talk about like you see papa author Brian murarescue now even bringing this forward yeah um [\\h__\\h] who was it who was it that was reading yesterday I don't know if it was I don't know I was going through a diadoris or I think
It was Diet doors it might have been diadors I'm always flipping through diet doors because I'm always looking for stuff for my videos and it's like he said there's four major races that came out of the palazakians and uh there was the akians lykians
Um dorix and then I forgot what the other the other one was uh arcadians and he said that the three of those names are based off animals so they're like hybrids like werewolves bear people something else and then the dorics are the only four out of the four who are called the chosen people the door Dorian we all we all learned this in early Greek door uh that's to give a gift the door what is it Dorian right I'm on sorry yeah a door on is again I said it
Wrong the dorix they're gifted people they so so they were the people who inhabited the the in the main city the capital was nasos and they were the Priestly class so you had this early on this gifted people what does that mean gifted what are they were they gifted in I'm my guess and this now I'm I'm going to inject my own Theory here my guess is that these are the ones with the drugs with the knowledge with the technology with the whatever they know how to Matt the Stars
They knew how to to do medicine and all that that's that's what I because why else would you call someone gifted people you're doing something that someone else they have something someone else doesn't have so I think it's probably it has to do with technology and drugs
What do you guys think yeah well drugs are a form of Technology it's it's hard to imagine an explanation for magic and religion without without drugs I mean I forget where I read it exactly but I think the only culture that doesn't have at least some theojin basically is the Inuit and that's because there's no plants up there that are in theogens so this is a bit of a misconception though because there are some fish and they will do a lot of like more intense kind
Of things to get their adrenaline up so they still like if you look at the throat singing and they'll do a lot of clam diving so they're still doing similar things but you're right it's not the not explicit in theogen use
Now let's let's for people who don't know what is that where did that term come from most of us know this but ammo can you give us a you know the whole story about this term yeah and it's real sure it came from Carl Rock and he took it like any good corner of terms does he took it from somewhere and he took it from the root in Theos right the N just being n and sales being literally in the god in the God and energetic being producing
Now having said that he didn't just sit down and make that up right he knows that in Theos the state of being enthus is associated with things like the state-induced in the orific hymns that is in Theos that is the god dwelling within so he knew that there was a he already knew those cultural connections but he said hey take the other root gin to produce and an antheogen produces that God state within and you know what I just thought about too how many people realize that term Theologian come comes
From Orpheus like you hear all these Catholic priests and Orthodox Bishops I'm a theologian like yeah yeah you know you got that word from right you got Orpheus was the first Theologian that was that was one of his titles Orpheus the theologian well this is something I find just kind of mind-blowing in general and something like Dion and I were talking about it's just how like the the Christianity really comes out of paganism right and it tries to reform paganism and it tries to reinterpret it
But it they're what are the what is the heart of pagan of all Pagan Traditions ancestor veneration and necromancy connecting to the dead and rights around the dead and what is the central rights of Catholicism right they're going to the Saints they're going to these catacombs especially in Roman Roman religion that was they were the biggest people to actually they called them the uh uh well [\\h__\\h] what do they call it they had a word for it there was for the there so there's dios dios the gods then there was another word that I can't
Remember right now that was specifically for your dead ancestors there's a there was a there was a there was a Echelon where you you can become a a deity uh a Daemon and then there's a then there's Theos the gods that's the highest Gods but there's actually one there's one smaller one Amon might know it but I might have to look it up you're gonna start getting me all riled up here and getting some old-timey Roman religion going yeah I have it in my video yeah with those lares
How'd you know of course did you know that because I know Laura herself right Lara is this oh God she's the most beautiful goddess this old Detroit and goddess right and she is some people say she is the Aphrodite
Of the Etruscans um but she's the Aphrodite of death She's Uranian and Laura will come with a sledgehammer and she will smash your head she will smash your head now think about right we're all sitting there with our entheogens and we're bringing these images forward right we're creating something here in a world that he see it tells us you know Cersei he was ruining those those um tyrannians those Etruscans they had a they had a queen for a ruler who turned men into animals with drugs right so this is we're right
There Bronze Age right late bronze I always think about it's the calculating Saints though 100 like there's no doubt about that the layers become Saints some of the layers become Saints but we were going over this with retch right um in his magic carpet episode we did for occult explorers where he identifies the uh the spirits the demons that they're summoning as the the Fallen Angels do you want to talk more about that rich uh yeah well they're either some of them might be Watchers themselves but most of them are actually
The ghosts of the Nephilim they're the ghosts of the Giants from After the flood and The Book of Enoch tells us straight up that uh ghosts and spirits came out of the bodies of the Nephilim to plague Humanity so this is also the explanation for sickness and disease and it brings us right bit you know it fits right perfectly with basically Shamanism to uh
Heal people by exercising harmful spirits but the thing is they're invoking these demonic spirits right these explicitly benevolent entities right yeah they also cause Sickness by sending these these uh demons on people onto the pagans and stuff so that's where the magic Greek magical papyri shows us the Greek magical Pottery shows us that these people like so we most most of our history of religions come from temples and those are higher Ops those are Elites they have this they have a real systematic dogmatic way of doing
Religion but on the ground level the mass majority of people are are doing their religion as in the way that you look at in the magical papyri they have they don't care about what where Dionysus came from if he's Pagan God or not they don't care if Jesus is from Judaism they're combining everything and they're they're throwing off these hymns and cantations mixing all these religions together into one thing that was that was then that was the normal way to do religion in that time period you could say they were magicians
And they were doing what worked maybe absolutely
And and the PGM uh was an influence on actually on later Christian magic though and solomonic magic and definitely the grimoires so but they were yeah you're right it was just normal to mix it up and to uh to do what worked yeah you got you all over the magic hymns you you get oath
Kathana Katana Katana the cathodian God the cathodian father and then it's like the god of yasu Christo oh and Dionysus with him like what the hell they're both there that that that's how that's how that was the nature of religion in this time period all over the Roman Empire well you get all these weird interesting arguments like I was reading about um heraclitus the other day and how he spent the last half of his life in the temple of Artemis but this particular version of Artemis was a Persian
Influenced Artemis so a lot of these authors are like oh he's explicitly Persian and all this and I'm like I don't think he's really thinking about the cultural stuff I think he's just connecting with the goddess you know what I mean like yeah that's what diet Wars tells us about about Diana he says that the Persians venerated Diana for I forgot what he says but he makes it clear he's like yeah the Persians had the same goddess tells us that but this is what I'm trying to get at is like it's not like
These people are constantly looking for parallels right yeah yeah you know they're understanding the archetypes they have that symbolic language that we're that we lack you know so when a lot of these folk people they see other people's Traditions they immediately equate them to their own and see them as synonymous and there's nothing wrong with this right this is a a natural progression of just the Pagan thought at this time yeah right and it also highlights how these these so these archetypal characters in in these in these religions are there's two ways
That they get there one is that this is like like two different two different beavers build the same damn and two opposite sides of the world they never met each other they don't talk to each other they just naturally build their damage that way so there's one theory is that in religion when you're trying when you're when you're focusing on connecting yourself with the Divine there's only certain archetypes that come from it that's one Theory the other theory is there's the pelasgians and then they brought their their religions
Get brought down to that the west and the east in different paths and then that's why you see so many similarities I think it might be somewhere in between right well I mean you do read in the eighth book of Moses it's filled with paganism but they also accuse Hermes of plagiarism so the Jews and Christians were trying to trying to say that they are the first and original religion and everybody else is a bastardized version of it right but actually the latest they're the newest yeah all of them yeah
They were actually the plagiarists themselves and they were just projecting and and it's obvious that the eighth book of Moses is filled with Pagan like this is not written by Moses they're referencing Orpheus and all kinds of gut and Hermes even the five books of Mo the supposed five books the Moses the Torah right like a thousand years after Moses supposedly lived thousands no six seven
Hundred years but still like Moses did not write that this was written in like the 500s in the 1200s you know what I mean yeah you have to understand these kind of texts these kind of foundational cultural texts as political texts first and foremost right so a lot of us we understand them in our modern times through this entirety through this lens of religion right but that's not how they're being utilized and worked in their own time period right like there's very clear lead that we have after The Exodus and you have them coming back and then you have the reign of Josiah you
Have a literal transformation of the entirety of Judaism you know where it becomes patriarchal they remove ashra they remove all of the other everything they centralize the cult in Jerusalem at the one Temple you know so it's like it's a political thing first you know you know what Kip Davis pointed out to me that that blew my mind that I was talking the other day he said Israel was a a thriving little city-state by itself not a country like Solomon not not like the Bible says but for a for a small
City-state in the middle of the desert with hardly any water they were doing really well for a while for a long time and they were worshiping ashra and the gods and the gods they were polytheistic then then Josiah transforms their religion kicks out ashra and then makes it this monotheistic thing and then they start getting raided every 20 years by different kind then they start having problems then they get thrown to Babylon then they get conquered by Rome then they lose their Temple again and then somebody pointed out says it's
Interesting how they blame it on they blame it on um idolatry they say we keep getting sacked because of our dollars it's our fault it's our fault but Kim Davis is like if David says but it's also interesting that after they they look they leave idolatry is when all this bad stuff starts happening to them and he's like dude that's so very ironic that's so true though and their bully guy just gets mad at kids planning them jealous God
What's the difference between that what the Jewish nation was doing and what the Christian Nation did under the Romans right they did the same thing it was you know they were trying to select to hone in on that one source that they could have double Authority and control right and you know it's it's a form of appropriation and it always leads to the Takeover right it's like one polytheistic civilization or decays
Right they Decay because they're eaten out by this atheistic Christian monotheistic Jewish uh approach right um also you could throw users you lose their Spirit as not as a nation like look at Rome they conquered the revert to Christianity Rome loses its Spirit they get conquered by Galls yeah yeah well what it is is like it's a it's clearly a political action because Rome is constantly expanding and they're having trouble incorporating as they're getting so large and they want to force people to conform but they can't right
There's they're having to play politics with all these people Christianity provides them with the ultimate get out of jail free now their persecution in minorities is a holy act right right it's the ultimate unification of of nationalism and universalism at the same time they go and go to everyone and say now you'll have to conform and you have to conform to us right and it just makes it just makes you realize that the Greeks had it figured out way before anyone else I mean just for we just we
Just forgot like the way they had their loose Confederacy of city-states that all had their own National gods and National and other own cultures and they're all sort of combined under this language this Hellenism this this this Greek language that keeps them together yeah the Spartans are fighting with the Athenians yeah the macedonians are fighting with thessalions yeah they have bickering but they they but for some reason that system really seemed to work it pushed forward science and push forward uh knowledge and you know but for some reason that Plato comes along and says oh we need to
Republic and we need a one one religion I don't know things change though but but all I'm saying is for the Greeks had it figured out in the pre-socratic times they did they figured it out I think it was your calcolithic pulaskians I think it was your copperage pulaskians that were coming through there now I think that's who the Greeks are vaping on I think they're taking it because honestly guys as a class system I'll say something shocking but as a classicist you will reach a point where you've read enough of this Greco-Roman literature that you can say
Wait a minute why is there nothing else of the same type anywhere near us in time why what is special about those Greeks that they're able to come up with these different types these genres right what is what is the you know you can say the theater just comes out of their religious performances and so that's why we don't have other theater around no no why does the rest of the Mediterranean lag behind the Greeks and the Romans are jealous about it and always talking about why
Greek is not Superior what is it I think it's those Pulaski and gems that they got yeah I think there was something prehistoric prehistoric in the water that they were drinking that was allowing them to enter into the enter into the philosophy right you can't this goes back to the topic of the video it's probably what were they ingest what was part of their diets what was part of their rituals was there drugs involved boom boom boom like right isn't that kind of where it's kind of leading up
It's like why is it right here in this part of the world like why do we see such incredible because it's it's you know I Iron Man is a classicist and he loves his Greek and his his Greek but I would say there's comparable stuff in the Sanskrit and Sanskrit is also a nation-building foundational language that that spreads across Asia what connects the Sanskrit to the Greek it's the drug use right and it's the cult of these snakes and it's these ecstatic Cults that are fixated on these wild
Figures right in the worship of the phallus in in the vagina like it's all there if you look right you know people that's perfectly linguistically that works Snappy because people have been saying for a long time the pulaskians are probably those proto-indo-european
People that's probably what the language is which would make sense that makes a lot of sense it sends a vein into India sins of vein into the Black Sea down with race and Greece and you get the same developments yeah no I love that I love that and what's funny is it's all all of the real discoveries we'll go back to the three um recorded history people right you'd be 5000 BC now honestly I think we see these kind of stuff represented in a lot of these pre-industrial kind of peoples
Right like I don't like to use this term but for lack of a better word primitive peoples they still maintain this connection to the image to the natural world and so that there there's something magical about that thinking you know and what's I'm trying to what I want to I'm trying to understand is what sets the the the the Greeks and the Indians apart in that they're able to take that tribal image and bring that into something more you know concrete like they create an entire
Mystery system right around these drug uses and like I wanted to ask Dion about this because Dion you're one of these people who you have experience in these very primitive Cults that have their origins in Africa that have maintained this strict uh lineage across history
And then you've also gone to more modern ones that are very Advanced like what do you see is the difference between these two kind of mystery approaches to the infusions into ritual well uh one it's legalities and modern loss
That's pretty much changed everything starting from first aid to four step fourth ad and then up to like the 15th century to Modern Times Like There's different Pockets were the law comes in and just regulates all this stuff and gets rid of it to where we are now where we're going to Congress and people are trying to fight to get the Primitive ways back you know arguing to you you know that's where they first had to do that with marijuana to turn that into something natural again
And and reverse the laws which aren't equal in every state right now you know some states things are legal some states they aren't and what's funny in some states marijuana is legal but psychedelics aren't and then you go to another state in marijuana is illegal but psychedelics are legal you know go figure so it's it's what needs to happen is the the modern times needs to catch up you know with the with these healing modalities because they're used successfully in uh clinical Therapies a lot of different psychedelics are
Being used image healing people from traumas ptsds um lots of different things you saw how marijuana was helping people with epilepsy so you were telling me about that ibogaine one right that cures people of severe drug addiction like heroin and I know they've been they just opened up a clinic here in Toronto for this oh yeah yeah I see they're going to do that there first before they're going to do that here in America um it's just the FDA and the DEA and um the medical industry because of the pharmaceutical industry they have no
Need to push this stuff through they're doing just fine with the system as it works now with the scripts on the doctor's desk because uh when you go into a doctor visit and he writes you those scripts he's getting a percentage of that you know not just not just is he giving you a medicine and he's also getting paid to do that service as well is getting a cut as a like a drug dealer you know so that's what happens some drugs are regulated some are and they've
Turned everything into drugs so they can control and capitalize and sell it you know the history of our of our country here is founded off drug Runners and you know if you know about anything about the big political families they were involved in a lot of that stuff back in the day even like JFK the family was involved in you know whiskey sales and stuff like that so yeah the Opium Wars in China they were helping the British with the Opium Wars and this actually brings me to like a important
Part here like if in theogens are the source of religions or spiritual access than those who want to centralize Authority or monopolize religious power they got to monopolize the impelligent trade which is big money and you know these have medicinal value especially like opium is big money and it has medicinal value especially in the old days and you see this at the root of minoan culture with their opium trade but uh it seems like this was a this is a huge piece of History that's been ignored and it has huge economic
And historical factors like it's a huge influence that no few people have really pinned down exact history of the opium trade but it finally makes it makes it very clear that the drug trade and knowledge of antidotes is is a matter of National Security if you can't find the antidotes then you're then your Emperor is going to get drugged and die or go crazy or right so they had to know all this stuff it was National Security and it was a key to the economy wasn't it the same group ratch wasn't
The same group it was those purple runners it was those purple Runners that were ultimately funding Paul right right see the the shift in Dynamics nobody studies the Narco trafficking that Christianity was involved in right that I don't know why it's not a popular topic but yeah that's where the funding is coming from right love it that that stuff is expensive those drugs are expensive bra could have fed that whole village with the drugs that you guys are using well and this is something that was interesting that Dion
And I were finding in our research is that when we were looking into the Mary's which is a title that means merbearer one who has the drugs Mary Salome was known for having a fishing fleet and being connected to Phoenician pirates in the drug trade you know and she's also connected to these weird uh Cults around Ashera so there's like they're these Shady people directly connected to Christ it's also a title for Isis Mary being the Beloved
She said there's probably something there's definitely connection there so just like today the the sex trade is is tied to the drug trade in a lot of these uh same same people are running it in a lot of cases because you want to have sex on drugs that makes sense when Jesus is when Jesus is talking about um that very situation right he's got they've got one of his ladies
Um drug using prostitutes right they've got one of his ladies and they're gonna kill her right and uh he all he has to do you don't have to say thing all he has to do is write the name down in his contact and they see it and they know right everybody's like what's he writing in the dirt when everybody sees what he writes in the dirt they're like never mind never mind
[Laughter]
Passage right there for sure and well we're finding out that these fish are probably related to these dream fish these psychedelic fish that are getting you stoned like everything at the Last Supper is the drug right the bread is ergotized wheat the wine is mushroom infused wine the fish is hallucinogenic dream fish and then they're going into these tombs hot boxing them with essential like with with cannabis infused oils and frankincense and blowing out the lies lights they're in a century a century they're in a deprivation tank you know
Amongst the dead in the dark well stoned out of their mind yeah I'm pretty sure the Riots of patriarchy is directly linked to these uh drug trafficking pimps as well like it started out as actual priestesses who had autonomy and like power and then the uh Jews and Christians turned into a patriarchal uh pimping operation and then it just got increasingly misogynist from there there were the Purple People pimps wear purple right yeah honestly look what I wonder and that's why they're so so obsessed with virgins because virgins
Are worth more money if you don't want to sell a used product right that's all they're thinking of with when they talk about virgins and bride prices they're it's pretty explicit they're buying women in in the Bible so you know there's nothing there's nothing I also noticed that when Homer mentions the palazians he always throws the word Noble in front of them the noble police he never just says police he says the noble police Kings what does that mean by the way what is that word I wonder
What that Greek is I wonder what's going on there you know what I mean I'm almost ready to click that is the very that is the very heart of uh the Greek virtue right it indicates that they were a people who established who established order right in society it indicates very much now you're obsessed with your 90 Creighton cities or your 90 cities in the area dominated what
Um how do you get there unless you have Builders right unless you have Builders leaders of society you can't get there and those same people who are leading Society are the ones who are involved in the trade right and then people don't realize that that place just look at one location in time I want to take you to the hill of the Apocalypse right tell megido and Israel right there is a solomonic way station
A solomonic way station and that's where they tax people right on the road right taking Goods you got to pay the tax right um what is it built over it's built over a highly organized more organized
System of temples
Yeah where uh and that's that honorable Pulaski in origin that's that aristocratic I mean it comes through on the grief side it's kind of aristocratic you know what I mean it's the height of virtue right it's it's those who are the best and how are they able to do this how are they able to do this well uh this is baked into the great culture right yeah this is why these are the people who are undertaking the mystery are the top the cream of the crop
The cream of the crop you need those people or you're not going to get to tell megida you the way station is just a crap weigh station seriously and they they bring by the you bring by the evangelicals and I know this because I was there you bring by the Evangelical right and I didn't just stay for the [\\h__\\h] weekend I worked there sorry I didn't mean to curse I worked there a year and uh over a year and I can tell you for a fact you'll bring in the evangelicals those people are so
Bamboozled they are so Bamboozled they're under a spell of the people around them who are just taking collecting taxes right they're collecting taxes and they show them the solomonic and oh the Iron Age and what is underneath that surface is so much more resplendent it's not just a place to keep taxes it's a place where the heart of stuff that you and I consider democracy and the scientific method it's where that's coming from Neil is not full of it when he says hey we're we are
A thousand years imagine if the pulaskians had been able to perpetuate complete and total progress right and had not Fallen when they're having the when having the Egyptians falling to the monotheism right what what happens to the culture here's my question what happens to the culture that produces this perfect City
This perfect polis right because it's allowed itself to penetrate all those all those boundaries that are stopping it all this I'm telling you we would be thousands of years ahead right now we wouldn't be and get we wouldn't be sick we wouldn't be sick and on top of that first of all if you go if you go to Perseus Tufts and just type in Pulaski it will show you all the people who ever wrote about them and you'll notice it's not just Crete it's not just uh Mycenaean Greece it's
Not it's Asia it's the West Coast it's the east coast of the Mediterranean it's this it's Northern Africa there's polesians so they're writing about these prehistoric people that have populated almost the entire Mediterranean and north of the Mediterranean but the the um the um what was I gonna say oh it also talks about how they are the ones who gave us columns Doric columns are the oldest you know you know how you look at ancient civilizations you're like damn they really had beautiful columns and everything looks so so nice
And and like it's like it's pleasing to the eye to look at those are the pla that's that's Doric Doric columns but it's it's well did you guys keep bringing up the pulaskians and this is something that I always noticed with Ammon because like I'm a big philosophy nerd and I'm really interested in a lot of the German Pagan philosophy and a lot of the German school is has invested in the palazzkian kind of idea as Ammon is and they identify them as the root as and they are also producing the best
Classicists right Auto current comes out of this and this level of classicism inspires the entire German Renaissance right it gives birth to people like Gerta and Nietzsche Nietzsche talks about the palazzians when he talks about we need to have an ideology that's different from the Christians right he talks about how we need to go back to our primordial Roots he identifies the palazzians as that primordial European root you know he's not this is not a racial thing this this is has nothing to do with that this is about going back to that the people who built the city who
Founded the mystery about going to that roots of the image you know right absolutely I think it's I think it's also a matter of purifying um your your Technique we've got to keep our science fair just completely unbiased and directed to drill that hole because Auto current and these people came along and the next thing you know they're throwing out Aryan right and we know that people have postulated well
This is that area in origin right these are those prehistoric peoples right so I know we're sitting all here I know we're all interested in just the I've been doing a lot of thinking about this because I've been looking at that time in in Germany and what you really see is this flipping of the pulse energy this extremification okay at the same time that you're having this rise in the neo-nazism right you're having this birth of Communism of egalitarianism
Anarchy all of these ideas are coming out of there right you're also getting Nietzsche and all of this Pagan Revival right so on one hand we have this extremism but there's also this other side that God overshadowed and gets neglected because of the extreme violence of of Nazism right but there was this really powerful other side that was fighting against that extremism that that extremism came about as a reaction to and we don't talk about that right it's a reactionary thing you know fascism is always about trying to put us
Back in place they were trying to stop us reconnecting to this pulaskian root stop us to connect to this egalitarianism they were literally trying to hold back time pervert this mystery that was being rediscovered
I love it yeah do you think go ahead go ahead Rich oh it's just gonna say quickly uh do you also get the like jazz culture and Germany and the trans and burlesque stuff going on I suppose they probably yeah smoke in them yeah yeah go through the first trans clinic right also like people don't talk about this enough but when you look at Jewish people at this time the people in Germany were identifying with the German state it was the most Progressive form of Judaism we
Had even ever seen you know like everyone was evolving and having this very Progressive wave you know it's kind of it's so depressing that this got [\\h__\\h] squashed by extremism because who's to say what could have came out of that you know yeah one last thing I want to say about Palladium I just I just found this out just now I'm looks I'm going through Percy's tops about all the times play things are mentions it turns out that Achilles in The Iliad presents Zeus as he goes Zeus Thou King dedonian pelasian
Thou that dwellers afar ruling over the donut he calls Zeus the palazzian why that's but like that's that's that cultic secret language that's being thrown out there nobody everyone just reads past it like yeah whatever just just a title that Source nail is why um the scholars proposed that Donna is an oracle directly from the pulaskians is probably the first right they're always fighting and they're never going to be able to tell which was the most important out of all the Seven Wonders of the World there was the giant statue
Of Zeus sitting right there people would travel all over the world to go to go there and see it but to kind of take us back to to oh sorry go ahead rich I was just gonna ask how what kind of uh how similar do you think the pantheons were for the palestrians uh do they have many of the same Gods as the later Greeks or do you want to know what what I think is the best way to attack this question look at both of the look at look at The Vedic Pantheon and the ancient Greek
Pantheon and see what the similarities are and you could probably piece together what the these pulaskians you might be able to trace it right to the language too because every once in a while every every once in a while like even with the word uh even with the word like Dorian that we just talked about yeah etymologically right it goes back to gift but we sometimes have to guess in an Antiquity they'll say they have words have different etymologies right or it's true they'll give you well these
Are probably two etymologies but every once in a while you'll see a word that is pulaskian believed to be pulaskian if you can be careful too if you could take all of those Roots You Could reconstruct the pantheon for example one of them that the atrocities that comes down to Latin eventually right as a cup from which you drink but originally it's this Etruscan but foreign to Etruscan it's this pulaskian thing influencing the Etruscans this is the idea of the cup of communion did you know the cup of communion comes through
The Etruscans yet
Any amount of money on two gods that existed in the pelosian times diaspatar and gay matar the sky father and Earth mother so I just want to push back a little I do agree with what you're saying Neil but I do want to push back a little bit because the Aryans are a later group The indoors
Like that brings The Vedic culture we really got to look to the Davidian the Harappan culture and this is where you get those Proto Shiva figures those people doing the yogic poses with the Wild Hair you know you also see those women with the snakes and this parallels directly so the things that we see that are the same in Manoa and harappa are this they both have these double-bladed axes they have these motifs of wrestling
Yeah the wrestling of bulls you have these guys who are sitting cross-legged who look like they're meditating or getting stoned then you have these women with the snakes and you have the phalluses notice all of those appear in both civilizations different iconography but the same symbolism right but notice how on some sides the bowl of sacred you don't kill the bull the other side is kill the bull because we're we Oppo you have these opposite rights happening all over the place like you had these people who they they think the Titans
Are the other gods that we should worship the other ones are like oh it's the Olympians but like they have their different words for but you can see the similarities and you can see how one side is like dedicated to like straight submission to this one Tyrant God and then this other side is like they had their daemons and they have their and they're they're it's a lot more metropolitani when I look at a lot of these deities when I actually start to see especially when you get into the Cults it's like these Cults tend to come
Up around specific types of drug use yeah okay so like when I look at these dionysian kind of Cults they seem to be around marijuana and psilocybin or amnia sorry amnino muscaria it's cannabis are the ones that you find in Manoa and at harappa but then we get the later Traditions like the ellucinian Mysteries which is all around ergot you know so they're slightly different but there's still these drug-based rights and that's why you get this such a wide variety of mysteries happening throughout the Pagan world I think and then the more tyrannical ones are
Usually more connected to Opium or maybe the that's probably the night shades are all over the place too but they wanted the power and if you want the power you gotta control that opium dude holy [\\h__\\h] yeah you know I forgot about that I got a question for Neil yeah um your experiences with acacia oh yeah how you like that oh it's game it's Game Changer it it's the one it's like one of those things that make me want to people who study religion who are like well I've
Never tried DMT well I'm like your studies are are incomplete then you're I'm sorry to say I don't care how many people you heard talk about it you have it's the experience is like oh I get it now I get it now I get why these colleges are the way they are now I get it there's nothing like it's nothing can compare sext money nothing could compare to that for being in that state when you are in a full five minute well I guess if you drink the tea which
I've done before it lasts way longer and it's actually not even that much weaker it's almost the same strength I'm not gonna lie you're still in that mode that whole time and it's it's I'm not kidding it's well let me let me let's get real for a second the first hour if you have any food in your stomach it's coming right out you're gonna feel sick real real sick almost like you regretted it like I wish I never did this as soon as you get all your
Toxins out oh my God it's like going into heaven it's like you're floating up into heaven and you just the experience is it's out of this world you are literally seeing it's not like oh yeah I took some mushrooms and I saw some cool waves and everything looked all cool the colors were so beautiful no no you are literally seeing people and deities and snakes and animals and demons and you are literally seeing [\\h__\\h] like literally I can't even I can't even express how much how real
It seems seems so real like you are literally in another world explain it after you had this experiment experience how did it shift your perspective oh it put me down a path of searching for searching for God automatic and I even say this even even as somebody who doesn't believe in any of the religions as true I still don't fear death anymore because that's one of those things that's one of the things that came out of DMT use you lose the fear of death gone don't
Give a [\\h__\\h] about death anymore it's not even a not a thought don't even care for whatever reason I don't know what it does but it does that it does something to your brain where it just it's just like this realization it's going to happen no matter what and there might be something on the other side we'll see what happens but it doesn't matter that's not my it's not it's not for me to that that answer is not given it Geo right now you're not supposed to have
That answer right now all you have to do is know that you're here now and that's it that's the realization that you come to from from from from a lot from a lot of use of DMT maybe not just one time but for me it was a long time it was it was over the course of a decade wow that's a long time yeah I did it for a long time that's amazing and I wouldn't have my channel if it wasn't for DMT I wouldn't had this much this much interest in ancient
Religions if it wasn't for DMT so that's that was a good that's if that answers your question yeah with it's kind of wild like I had something similar so for me I was a lot more interested in religion and I had done so much searching it's so much looking and searching and what was wild to me is my first serious drug trip I decided to do way too much mushrooms I did over 10 grams of mushrooms because I wanted to have that hero's journey and I got I got
Exactly what I wished for I went into what I can only describe as kind of like that sparagmos moment where I was ripped apart and became one with everything I was ripped apart to every single molecule and spread it across the universe and then came back together as one thing that's what it feels like dude you know what happened in waves again and again and again and again like yeah it was after that moment it was just like it's okay no more doubting this stuff it's it's pretty it's pretty damn
It's pretty damn clear and I know like Dion you told me you've had similar experiences too right
Sure sure you know um rich I think Rich has some experiences with it as well yeah I've been there uh I've been there I yeah I mean I've tried a variety of things and uh actually uh one kind of obscure thing that I found that maybe would help out some people I I used to uh get pot paranoia from doing marijuana from with LSD like I would get no I wouldn't be paranoid from just LSD but if I smoke just weed alone I'd get more paranoid
Because I had mixed it the two before and so I had to stop actually marijuana for some years because it was worse than psychedelics for me but but after I did some yopo or I did some DMT snuff and I smoked some weed I had a vision of Shiva and and I was cured of my uh you and me both man that's crazy I wonder if there's I wonder if there's other people who saw the same thing we saw because that's that's what it looked like I thought it was Brahma at the time
I didn't know much about Hinduism but now now that I'm learning more about it what I saw was like a Shiva figure I mean I've seen Shiva as well I've seen Shiva on mushrooms um the other big one that was intense for me sorry to start a country did you know that I saw that or no you just I I did see uh an explanation where you're talking about one of your visions that was the most intense one I ever had Brahma or you said I think it was and it
Was a it looked like it looked like the deity right behind Snappy right now so okay yeah that's Kali standing on Shiva but they're they're they're two sides of the same coin so yeah they all looks they all had that that look and that's that's all I can win that's the only way I can describe it like it wasn't like it looked exactly like any of these paintings it was different don't get me wrong it had its own it had its own Aura to it it wasn't it wasn't like any I
Can't say it was Shiva or it was Brahma or was it looked like those Gods put it that way if that makes sense yeah boy I wish they could find a way to make DMT snuff that's not so hard on your nose but like I was doing DMT Fumarate is that so does it work that way it turns it into a water-soluble form yeah whereas when you smoke it your free basing DMT so it's not water soluble but if you but if you convert it into DMT Fumarate
Then it'll you can store it long term and it is is better for uh oral and like as an Ayahuasca analog it'll be more or you can take it as a snuff but it can burn a bit for sure
You know what I haven't tried but I I would think you could yeah you probably that actually might be the best now I think about that might actually be the ideal way to do it because you probably have to take an MAO inhibitor before though
Brings us right back to the sex it brings us right back to the on the Indian side and back on the creek side to the second what what if you could take a question if you could take it on on a dildo could you take it on a dildo you painted with with someone could you enter that do you know what do you know do you know what dictates that state if it's going to be uh uh uh I call them like strikeouts like you you swing you
Hit you had your experience at the plate it was cool you had a little experience but you didn't break through that home run is when you break through when you when your bat hits the ball you do it at the right time you want to know what you want to know what causes that in my in my personal opinion throughout the years is the energy that you have it's the state that you're in it's how you feel before you go into it so my guess is the reason why Sex Magic is brought into
These into these rights is because the energy is through the roof and he can only imagine when you're in that state of energy being so high and then the drugs introduced to you I can't even imagine what that breakthrough would be like it's it's more than that Neil it's about it's about that moment of orgasm right when you when you die when your mind stops right when you can actually you kind of connect to that in you know it's like it's the same drugs can get
You to that same point but if you could get to that point on drugs while orgasming you're going to be able to like go to the Moon right this is something that's essential to a lot of magical rights you want to be in that state of orgasm when you project the image so that you connect deeply and you're sending out that energy you know so it's like this transformative state of death and rebirth right yeah you know uh
Exactly the small death and so talking about acacia um yesterday in the video we talked about how in uh Egyptian with dealing with Sobek some of the rituals contraceptive rituals they would take a a Acacia and honey
Um with fermented dough and put that uh into the vagina down below wow and The Acacia would produce a lactic acid because we've been talking about the different ways to ingest Acacia and how to break down acacia um in Egypt there's a lot of ancient things you know they we just they you know and earlier you're talking about religions coming in and getting rid of things you have to add the third abrahamonic religion at the end which is with Islam which made sure to get rid of images at that point they even outlawed images you
Know and women got to wear masks and you know what I'm saying they went heavy you want to know someone you know they're destroying the magic tradition when you outlaw the image
Went to Sakara and oh yeah I'm talking to my guide there and he says that when they find stuff a lot of times they have to keep it like guarded and to not tell anybody because the government might like want to just destroy it like some of this some of the images they find are like oh that's too much or no you can't have that like oh that's it has to follow their guidelines of what can be shown to the people that come there well there's a gatekeeper in Egypt his name was they Unfortunately
They switched them up with the more Progressive guy but it was doctors always and he was the minister of Antiquities in Egypt and he's the guy that's been sitting on yeah they're sitting on [\\h__\\h] he had to though people hate on him on YouTube a lot of people hate on him but maybe he had to it was his job they're telling him you can't let this stuff out he knows about all the stuff underneath the Sphinx the pyramids that's what he told me he said they hide [\\h__\\h] because they they don't want the government to to destroy it oh
Well there you go the people that are the guides there are the people who are like us they're not like [\\h__\\h] they're not falling for the state religion of it they they do their research they know like the history they're smart people they're not like but they they're like like publicly and they're like oh yeah I'm a Muslim like they play the game and stuff but those people are like no we can't let the this Islamic government come and know that we have this Idol of Osiris here they're gonna take it and destroy it like they do that [\\h__\\h] there
They they don't like certain things yeah yesterday we were talking about the Osiris corn mummies in wheat mummies which little ergotized mummies with little uh medicated send-ons that were mini syndons that the kids would play with but uh and they would bury him and they had different molds of Osiris's body parts and making little cakes and into it mixing Acacia and different body parts and all their different things you know all that stuff got destroyed Alexandria got destroyed yeah imagine if we had Crete and Alexandra still around yeah anything
With that alone anything with the phallus is gone they're destroying that that's too that's oh that's that's bad that's bad it's a phallus there like they can't they'll you can have like an image of the god that's cool oh yeah let's let the tours pay for that but like if it's something that Islamic people don't think is uh tasteful they'll destroy it it's deeper than that though it's because of the genitals right the the procreative genitals are so important to paganism right the the penis is the essence of the man the vagina is the essence of the woman these things they
Create life you know you're worshiping them directly you're worshiping the union of them you know like there are three genders in these Pagan Traditions right there's that primordial form where they come together too you know so it's like their entire understanding of sex is is radically opposed to everything the abrahamic religions represent
You no matter what though they can't get rid of it they still have to bow down to it three times a day to a saturnian black cube with a little vagina with the meteorite in the corner no matter what they have to do it by law that's that's that's the beautiful thing about religion all these monotheistic religions that think they they think all they think like they have the true path to the beginning of the earliest religions and God and Adam and that it's like ironically they're all of their
Traditions are somewhat influenced from the ancient rights and these were what they would call Pagan you know what I mean so they can't escape it no matter what even the act of even like going to Deuteronomy and like the the sin offering where you take the take the goat and sprinkle the blood seven times that's how Pagan Traditions dude that's all polytheistic Bronze Age [\\h__\\h] dude
Rich was talking about which I had never heard before until he explained it to us you know the little prayer rugs that they'll use for the the call to prayer those are like little robes that you would fumigate with as well as those rugs having Syrian room Wallace Acacia dies
All kinds of different things in them like when we know about Rogue magic seder magic and uh the the flying carpets yep you know that's all part of it they can't get rid of these these uh the Gin the Gin ain't going nowhere it's here to stay isn't it that's the Jewish prayer shawl as well they're they're probably using that to HotBox as well and that's right based off of Zoroastrianism oh I want to watch a whole lot of specific symbolism there yeah you want to know about 72 and I
Think the Gin are ancient play skiing stuff because there's gin in Nordic mythology too so how do you how do you get Gin in both Arabic mythology and Nordic mythology well if you look at the Finnish in the Nordic there's a deep connection to the uh the Indian and as well as the Greek right there they're practicing that same deep Bronze Age religion like what always blows my mind is why do the Norse up there have all this imagery about vipers okay why is Loki Bound for eternity getting dripped
On by a snake when these snakes don't live the [\\h__\\h] up there you know what's happening Matt you're right yep there's a lot more going on there's a lot more connected anciently right especially when you see these all of these shamans start to look the same they all kind of look like Dionysus and Shiva to me you know I had a I had a student recently somebody I was working with Snappy who was researching just that she was Icelandic and she's researching the origins within classical
Antiquity of that Norse tradition and you know that's a dissertation right right there I mean that's open field Snappy I was reading just the other day just yesterday on my vacay I was reading about transforming I was talk into this witch and she was talking about transforming we were eating at one of these Banquets it's in the context of that banquet at the sabot right and um the food is terrible right but the banquet is well worth it they're talking about drugs
The Inquisition people are talking about the drugs that are being used to transform from between masculine and feminine to change a little boy into a little girl or a little girl into a little boy isn't that interesting yeah oh yeah that's wild well one thing that I'm I'm really interested in someone needs and this is another dissertation for the north studies is to look into this ergi so ergi is feminine magic okay and it says that Zeus in order to learn the magic of ergi has to become a woman and has to enter into a state of sexual shame he has to shame
Himself now it's all obscured but my bet is that we'll find freaking alabasterons and and Zeus had to get banged by the goddess in order to learn the magic and that's why all of these big buff Vikings are so reluctant to do the air geep yeah and it's like but Bacchus and pantheus you know that was pantheist if you want you want to join my cult he said yes I do all right you put on a wig put on uh do this this and this and then come back
And then he does it um yeah that's that's that's how you enter right it's interesting and it's very clear if you look at these ancient Bronze Age rights okay all of these religions have at the center this by gendered being that is born out of chaos okay born from the cosmic egg that rips themselves apart out of the desire to have sex with itself to create the universe this is like the myth you see everywhere right and if we're looking by that myth then what are these shamans
Doing you have to cross the gender binary threshold you have to learn both sides in order to become whole again in order to return back to that monistic one to go back to the primordial chaos to escape the cycle of death and rebirth you have to become fannies right so you have to learn the secrets of the opposite gender you know Achilles Achilles greatest hero of the Greeks was raised with priestesses and dressed like them and learned what they learned right there is a value there is a royal purple
Nature to that rearing of the child in order to produce that gynomorph this is a sacred act it's been perpetuated through time and they were just using the Venoms in order to breach that Gap yeah in order to cross over I was reading about Stampy I wanted to ask you and Dion from your last show I was reading about an echidna an Echidna who eats flesh
Who stays in the cave half virgin half girl uh sorry half virgin girl half uh snake and that she feasts on the flesh could that be the flesh that she's eating the the stuff that you guys were talking about that's got the mushrooms growing in it is that the kind of the cannibalism there what's I gotta hear it what's your what's your idea I would think so um I thought it was crazy until I researched it and found out it it happens naturally in nature and it's part of these ritualistic
Internment processes you could introduce that easily easily you know the the the connection with the the bugs and the fermentation and everything you know I'm reminded of the Flies of Hercules you know when when they have the games there for some reason they said there was a magic that would repel the Flies and they would go away during the games and but what authors are figuring out is the specific time of the year that they had the games was when the Amanita would sprout and they were holding them next to where
They had amanitas sprouting and the Flies don't like Amanita mascarias and so that was a natural form of pesticide um that an author puts forth you know that these mushrooms you could use them more than other different ways and you could put them wherever you want
And add to add to that Dion add to that that I've got two manuals for you that will have recipes for repelling flies or for prepping an area to repel the any reptiles any poisonous you know the priests use these things and fumigate their freaking fumigating you know it's a huge and what are the people undergoing who are breathing that right what is that I mean it's gorgeous it's like it's like um medicine at a distance it's like getting the whole room I was reading about a whole room of people that was gotten to be taken through the riots and
Woke up in pools of their own bodily fluids right and they did it without their knowledge of it they were able to fumigate the place and then go through the right with them there and leave and have them come too right oh my God is this gorgeous it's it's were drugs and vampires and sex meat I don't think we're talking enough about the sex guys because I think that I think the whole person I want to offer a quick correction I said air again actually I meant sather as the type of magic I'm not as familiar with the north
So we're just shitballing here let me let me let me let me tackle the sex thing right because when we look at the oldest let's start in the Stone Age right the Stone Age goes back three million years they start seeing tools three million years ago on in Africa where Djibouti is which is like Ethiopia almost at the coast near Arabia over there that's where there was thriving stone tools being used there probably the origins of humans right there probably anyways give from that time three million years
To about 40 000 years ago you have you start seeing Idols of Venus wait how is it longer than that much longer so the Venus figurines predate humanoids they they're they're done by early hominids and the earliest one we have comes from Israel and is between 250 000 I think in like 800 000 years old yeah yeah
Sure you also see The Lion Man figures that look like fannies but the point I'm making is you have these Idols that are used for for fertility for the right of Sex Magic that's what the point of these Venus Idols were for that's what they say and so between all that time period leading up to this and then going up to the time in recording history you have all that time for knowledge to accumulate on these rights the quest so like obviously is there a question are they doing sex
Magic are they doing like what are you not how do you not see that that's my that's my the question should be how do you not see also we need to think the first item we see is for sex right and I think a part of our big problem is that we are looking through things for a very modernist Paradigm we see progress in terms of technology and in terms of power right to transform the natural environment where I would argue that a lot of these ancient cultures
These more primitive cultures right they are engaged in this creative artistic way of of of viewing the world and engaging in the world and are producing all of this moral philosophy all of this religious spiritual Insight that it
Hasn't survived to us because the brutalists destroyed them you know but it's it's it's just a different kind of progress like I imagine if we came to North America before colonization the native peoples here would have had brilliant culture to offer us you know and incredible deep insight into spiritual truths and realities that has been lost you know because technological brutes came and smashed them can you let me share this one more screen real quick and then yeah go to someone else so Paleolithic period and that's in Greek
For Old Stone old stone age right old stone age two point first evidence of tool construction 2.58 million years ago so that I'm just like about people you got to wrap your head around this for Milli it's not it's not just like we think of like Civilization as like you know copper age and Bronze Age and I get that because that's when people that's when like we're really starting to get smart like we're really religions and and writing and Linear B tablets that's all like really Advanced [\\h__\\h] but like
You still have two to three million years of build up before that so you got to wonder how much [\\h__\\h] do we know we know a lot of [\\h__\\h] it's a long time that's more time than you than civilization has even been here by a lot by like 98 percent like does that make sense what I'm saying or no yeah yep you know ancient Egypt they say that they didn't build the pyramids they were already there when the ancient Egyptians got there maybe you know
It is a mystery that's for sure those guys were whacked on drugs yeah definitely how much of that though Neil and all you know in all honesty how much of that knowledge is lost how much of that experience that is human
Get it back can we get it back with the drugs can we get it back with the medicine can we get it back with the magic I wouldn't be worth trying I think we can this is something that I wanted to ask you guys about and this is something that you you see so if these things are truly cyclical like this primordial Bronze Age religion had I see it across history they continue to try to squash it to vilify it but it keeps coming back it keeps asserting
Itself the Christians deny it but their Mystics keep engaging with Sophia regardless you know what I mean it's like it's impossible to squash out you know so what I see is that the mystery survives in the in the mouths of The Poets in artists you know in these creative back rooms right so who are the people with the mystery today you know because like we're talking about bringing it back but I imagine there are people who are engaging it in the now right
Yeah and and you'll hear this from people who Wanna they wanna make Babylon the start of civilization because it lines up with the Bible right Sumer or uh Abraham came from Ur and like you know all that stuff so they want to make that the beginning but they don't realize but by the time we get to Sumer 3 500 BC yeah 3500 BCE by the time we get to that point they have writing they have government they have roads they have armies they have um farming they have agriculture they
Have they have a mail system they had a post that Sumerians had a post office system they have cuneiform writing this is all stuff that takes thousands of years to develop there's no way they just dropped in the sky and said hey we have all the stuff now it didn't happen it took time to get there that's a modern world dude compared to the ancient world I love that Neil I love that yeah it's the fairy tale we always want to accept the fairy tale just Boop stuff just comes yeah we're
Just all here yeah and it's this academic conceit where we want to separate everyone and and think that we weren't connected you know we're all these cultures are somehow unique special snowflakes who we can't allow to mix with each other you know and we have to analyze them as these separate indivisible things and it's ridiculous people are so much more alike than we are different exactly
Yeah I'd say we bring back this I was reading about cluster's process of opening the womb and flushing out what what its contents are and um or for just adding drugs you can add drugs this way to the person um I want to look into that because the sex connection I think is way more important than we're all there is a millions of years old sex connection here that with the plants and the toxins
And everything in the environment and I think we have to figure out that though there's one word in Antiquity for both idolatry and sexual uh activity it's the same word to you're right we have to highlight this because I keep thinking right that primordial myth that we were talking about of this phani's primordial person ripping themselves apart why do they rip themselves apart or atom in the Egyptian why does he jerk himself off and create creation because he wants to have sex right the universe creates
Itself to have sex with itself right this kind of procreation of love this creative aspect of creating and separating out the many is the whole entire point so of course sex is essential and it's the most important part of the right you know yeah and I think this is why the Christians also get it so wrong they want to separate everything out they wanted to they want to keep the women separate they want them to be celibate and in these states where they're destroying themselves and they have to destroy their bodies to get to those
States of ecstasy now yeah Clement knew that these other Christians were doing this like early Christianity this was part of the rights and Clement said these are the Christians that doing the Deep things of Satan so he divided he threw that Satan word in there to divide them up between gnostics and Christians and no they were from the same it's from the same tradition from the same school these were the unsatisfied Evangelical
Women who drove this right right no for cell culture is very cool too it was man yeah it's the battle between in cells and they call the channels that's the magic though they cut themselves off from the whole religious experience why do you think origia was so was so Central to the orphic and dionysian Mysteries the orgia
It's not just to have fun and be a bunch of dummies it's because there's something magical happening in these rights right and as Ammon has pointed out the midwives are at the root of this and it makes total sense because lots of women would die in childbirth and they had to match they had to figure out safer ways to do this they had to figure out and they also had to figure out ways to have safe abortions because not everyone wants to risk their life every time they
Get knocked up right in contraceptives and how to deal with periods and how to deal with like women's biology is extraordinarily complicated you know it requires a lot of knowledge
Who gets to have children and who doesn't or who they're going to actually you know maybe they'll sleep around but they're not going to have a baby with just anybody uh so they got to they had a core part of the whole culture they're raising the kids they're deciding who gets born they're initiating people they're they're deciding it all really and the women are talking about orgasm before men are right I was reading in a Hippocratic text on women it must certainly be written by a woman because it says you can't trust the men right
Um in in this they talk about um that or gay they use or gay they don't use orgasmos they use or gay the difference between a male or a female entering into that state what is the difference yeah look at the pioneering that we've lost I think it's what we've lost Neil we lost that culture there's a state that you can enter that you're not just supposed to have an orgasm because it's the you know woohoo finale to the evening right you're supposed to have the orgasm because it's a heightened
Awareness and you need to enter that state for your brain's sake right for your brain development take somebody who's don't don't allow to do that put somebody in Chains right don't allow them to do it and what happens they start chasing around the little ones that they can catch yeah it's a really good point though that you want to turn into rapists or they're willing to murder people yeah this whole no this is a great question it's very bad for mental health and there's a lot of work
That's been done to show that I mean most famously from Wilhelm Reich the psychologist but there's even Plato's time as talks about this and the need for some orgasm he says you can overdo it but uh there it's he goes into detail about the brain as a tree and the source of semen and stuff so it's it's important for mental health we evolve to want to have sex and if if there's some death cult out there telling people they can't even masturbate then of course they're going
To go crazy all this comes out of these military they all come out of these military deaths they want to die yeah they want to die and they're going to fight for their God because they have nothing worth living for but look if they had Venus modern iterations of it we see this with the proud boys we see this with a lot like they want these men to be denied sex to be done eye contact with women they want them to Value aggression they don't want them to get
Stoned or have any drugs they want them to be isolated in a [\\h__\\h] alone how that's how you create a psychopath that's how you create an unhinged wacko it's gonna go out and hurt someone you know like it's it's it's purposefully driven they're trying to reduce these men into violent actors and it's depressing and they and then they give them they equip them with the arms to do whatever they need to do but here's the funny thing you know Aphrodite takes that away right those that attraction that keeps
You wanting to be here is a just thing and can help you I guarantee if they took all the shooters that they've been having and look at set up a profile how many of them um let's say we're not devotees of Aphrodite oh it looks like the overwhelming majority of these people because they have nothing to live for right they have nothing to live for why is it that Christianity denies that Health why does Christianity deny that sexual health
It's about control right it's about power and about utilizing they're trying to turn these people into violence because anyone who disagrees with them has a potential right by controlling the mystery rights by keeping everything within their little thing they have total control they can stop time no one can create on their own you have to go through them you have to work with the priests you have to do things in conjunction with their aggregor whatever Christianity dictates they're all slaves to this ideology they can't even see the world for what it is you know
Yeah the abrahamic religions managed to uh make people afraid of Freedom or anything that would set them free and so the slave morality Works they don't even have to have uh guards with whips the slaves are just minding their own [\\h__\\h] and or guarding each other if you disagree
Would be redeemed that whole idea being Redeemed by Jesus that's so he can buy you right right yeah I love that Redemption the ACT look it up is an act of purchasing a slave in a Marketplace
That's what the word means yeah so you want to know where I think all that [\\h__\\h] comes from I'm gonna share my script I'm gonna share two things real quick you're gonna love this this one a trust can [\\h__\\h] going on here too so this is the idea of we're talking about layers earlier there's another group called the mains and so these main or mainies uh they are the underworld version of layers basically see look associated with layers lemurs and Genie where Apple lays tells us what this means he says if you're good you become a layer if you're
Bad you become a a lemur but if you're in between you become one of these mainies and you go to the underworld right and so even some early Christians are playing on this see this is an early Christian talking about to the spirits of the Dead there's that word dis manibus but here's where I think this all comes from right I'm going to share one more thing real quick this is wild because that comes back to the Etruscans these are called the D inferni and fairy right shadowy Collective uh
Deities associated with the Underworld the appetite of inferni is given to the mysterious mainies right Collective ancestral spirits and so if we go down to where it talks about the etrusk in the Etruscan religion the tree of divination d-infernee we're tooletaries of certain trees and shrubs here's the drugs now Buckthorn red carnal burn black fig those that bear a Blackberry and a black fruit Holly Woodland pear butcher's broom Briar I love this [\\h__\\h] dude brambles the wood of the trees called the inospritious trees which I
Bet you that's [\\h__\\h] I can guarantee you that's Acacia and then I had apotropic powers and was used to burning objects regarded as ill Omens so look even the Christians understood this was this was like the opposite this was like their devil and Satan worship stuff going on here right this is probably oh and look at look if you go down to the list of the uh the as truscan did here it is Father diss guys that's that's that's Bacchus man this Potter that's the underworld
Hades but if you actually look at his um what he's like yeah it's Hades basically but he also is connected with the the vine and Madness and possessing people
Hades are kind of synonymous exactly exactly so so there you go there's your there's your there's your that's that's this is what we're all getting at right even just the goddess Mania it's all in her name she sends the Venus names right what do you think that means and they send visions and and messages from from the underworld and hmm I wonder yeah what does that mean it's the origin of the Mantic practice the origin of the Mantic practice you have to communicate with those Dark
Souls right it's why the necromancers are the prison guards in the Chaldean system right we are here to torture those who have been confined yeah it's gorgeous and how do we do that spirits of the dead right not just any spirits of the dead right the ones that we use you bring that Vice forward that's why that early Christian uh leader is talking about the in the chisholms is talking about um the fear aspect of the fear the holy fear right and bringing the devil they're doing the same thing they're
Using those same Spirits right they understand the physics of that they're within that culture so I need to summon and then eat some I need to summon those dark Spirits use them and I can only use them with flesh I need to consume the flesh this is an academic practice Yeah it it guys what if there's something with the brain I want to pose a question what if there's something with the brain that when you get the right chemical connections and uh that you're able to I
Don't know potentiate yourself they told me when I was a kid I only use 10 of mine right what if there's a way to potentiate that to take it up even just a few percent wouldn't that be worth going through that process well we've already been talking about like this has been kind of a big breakthrough in modern psychedelic medicine so you're seeing this big push for the use of psilocybin as a uh as enhancing certain things within the brain you see there's a lot of talk about certain chemicals
Within cannabis like the CBG is a big one and the CB CBD and CBA so there are these things there's Lions Mains that is a nootropic that they're using you know so I wouldn't be surprised if these drugs are doing those things and then you know you're showing us that hair that was found and it's doused in Scopolamine and atropine and we know that these drugs will cause permanent psychosis if you want to see Visions go do some deterior some Jimson weed do a lot of it you'll see vision for the rest
Of your life yeah actually you actually know someone who had a had a long-term messed them up for like four years and now they're Northern normal now he's normal now he's got a family and a kid now but for like four years he was gone from that from doing too much [\\h__\\h] man you got to be careful that's why you had a high priest that would administer there were the doctors at the time there wasn't just free-for-all you know what I mean and these delirians are a lot more
Dangerous and like there's a reason why people go out and they do the nice psychedelics right like people love acid white people love mushrooms because they're not that hard on you you know physically right whereas like some of these some of these drugs like you it's it's hard to tell what's real and what's fake and it can happen throughout your your throughout your Waking Life so it could happen days weeks later you know that's that can be terrifying especially for people I would imagine like the to be a true Shaman or a witch or a priestess you have to be
Someone who knows themselves who's deeply connected to these beings like you can't just be doing all this deterra right because you're gonna see the dead you're gonna see your ancestors and if you're not prepared for that that will that'll break your mind well I wonder if that Torah is that Terror like the word dead is in there somehow I don't know maybe I think so no it's just yeah it's just from so to give oh it's real dough to give but uh
Like the gift that you were talking about a few times same gift interesting but uh psilocybin has been shown to uh actually it doesn't create new brain cells neurogenesis and it also increases neuroplasticity so doing a ritual on and other tryptamines probably work pretty similar too uh but so doing a sex ritual on psilocybin
Would activate your Reptilian Brain because the sex and it would wire it to your I suppose your uh the frontal lobes what because that's what you're using for uh the ritual part and the mattress and the symbolism involved and the prayers so you're learning to consciously connect
Your frontal loads to your Reptilian Brain and after you've wired them then you're not unconsciously sexual you're not uh so neurotic you're not so uh you you know yourself better and and you're capable of functioning within Society in a healthy way because you're not unconsciously
Doing schemey things to get laid or some you're more comfortable in your own sexuality and a healthy human being you're not so OCD about it whereas those people who try to what you know repress their sexuality they get very OCD they get very messed up in a lot of ways so those people right they become dishonest they like start lying to themselves and to everybody else about their sexuality are those the ones we have to tie up and sodomize I think that's the I think that's the group how do we bring it to YouTube how do we bring the drug sex
Cult mystery right how do we get it to get it to a functional level on YouTube I'm waiting for them to already censor us so I don't know how where the border is but we're going to find it where the where the line is across the line but yeah are we looking are we looking for the borders here where's the where's the end here right where's the game end we're looking for the edge of the simulation this is something I wanted to talk to you guys
About uh because this is I think like really honestly we're in another Renaissance moment because for another moment in history has come to us where we have simultaneous access to the ancient texts in unprecedented form and access to the drugs an unprecedented form like you couldn't even get drugs this good back in Antiquity you know so like we we have abilities now to be engaging in this in a really transformative way and you can start small like right like I've been telling everyone get yourself a copy of Kane smoke some
Weed and just just listen and and really try to engage with that image that the text produces it'll take you places if you let it you know that's satanic stuff bro that's the tank stuff did all you Evangel did all you evangelicals hear that we are performing
The mystery we're taking it over this is the mystery of iniquity baby and underneath I can hear you evangelicals I can hear the inside of your brain you say yeah you are a Satanist you are doing it and that's good that's good because Jesus is going to come back and he's gonna squash you he's gonna squash you right we have our own prophecies right yeah the Oracle is already foretold of the death of Jehovah anyway you know it's all a cycle we've got our own prophecy for those of us on the satanic side who don't trust
That dude that was arrested in a public park with a naked kid yelling I'm not a child trafficker charged with sorcery too charged with sorcery that was the charge in the talmud
No it's it's wild stuff right like and and I mean this is what I'm trying to get at though we're at this cusp this Renaissance moment what created the Renaissance was access again they got access to the drugs from the East and they got access to the text speak from the Arabs you know so we're entering that same kind of moment again but it's times a thousand you know you can find all of these texts translated into English it's it's it's something begin there you know go dig listen to where
The Muse guides you you know you'll be surprised the the abrahamic religions are desperate to destroy science because they can't win they can't convert people rationally they have no evidence and there's all this evidence against them on all every every topic you can think of whether it's attitudes about sex or gender the science does not agree with them or history or chemistry you know so they they're desperate to shut down science so that they can keep people ignorant and controllable
They want another Dark Age yeah that's why we need to let the dragon out we need to let the dragon out and you know the Christians will walk right into it because it's all part of their plan they think right oh this is gorgeous guys when people find out lady babylon's comp is coming back that's that's absolutely gorgeous um Snappy I wanted to say the um to the lead investigator on the hair find of the Bronze Age um you can you can Dr dose you can find
Descriptions of what they did with those locks yeah you can find them through time and having the very same drugs in them so you guys are that find is great and congratulations and I hope it opens up a whole new Vista of History
Yeah that's incredible wow yeah as the evidence piles up it's harder for for Academia to stay in denial you know they just don't talk about it mostly but they don't argue against it as much as they used to now they just kind of like it's taboo to even talk about usually but unless you it's in some kind of web article off to the side that a few people it's also really important to point out here right each of us too has had one of these transcendental life-changing
Experiences because of in theogens and because of these kind of ancient texts and engaging with this practice right like this is stuff that works yeah yeah and I can I can say as well I'd like to add to that Snappy um you can have the experience through someone else too right somebody else somebody else um uh can enter that state for you to see and to observe and to experience right from an outside viewing standpoint for example when I was on my dig my bunk mate got out of sat up in bed and started talking very strange right well
Anyway I went to work the next morning and he ran off into the desert long story short ended up in a psych ward well the guy that was reassigned to me in the new the next night they put in a new guy there and he went did nuts and did the very same thing um now at the time I thought that's got to be certainly psychedelics right it it was magic regardless it was magic regardless
Um so I was able to experience that through I think this Renaissance that's coming I think people are going to benefit whenever we bring back that classical spirit and you have that search for freedom and that search for knowledge oh God that's those the people
Everybody out there benefits it's like a wave right yeah it starts with one artist like you're talking about Snappy it starts with an artist and they do something that pushes this propagates this wave I think we're right we should be able to figure out how to do this properly like if we're going to have a a true Renaissance how do we like how do we tip the equation so that we know boom it's gonna you know how do we bring that wave well I think it's twofold at this point
We need to figure out exactly the drugs that they're using okay and in the combinations and we need to figure out a way to to engage with this in a safe way and then you know in a way that's not harming people because it's clear that some of these rights are you know from a different era and they have a different morality than we do and we also have to be sure that um that when we are doing this that that we're bringing it Forward into our
Present time right like we don't want to be slaves to dogmatism of the past either you know and we want to be utilizing this reason we need to be incorporating science like I keep thinking like I was reading this thing and retch was telling me a bit too about these neuroscientists who are actually like mapping people's brains and they're projecting their dreams now like we can actually see what people are seeing so we need to be looking at the mystery rights and trying to analyze what's
Actually happening you know how do we recreate these images because what's essential to me like when you read about ellusis they all see the same thing it's not enough that they go through this they all come out with the same shared experience how is that possible and the Greeks this is what the Greeks and well I'm pretty sure Indian Indians were like this too ancient Indians were always kept that reason in the Forefront and they're like you know you even have some deities Justice the goddess she
Should be worshiped because we have to be just and right we have to treat people equal you have to have this this and this so by having those Representatives those Gods representative in the in your Pantheon your Society follows suit
Instead if you have a we have this one God who's a maniac that wants to kill everybody he doesn't like gay people then everyone's gonna follow that suit if you have him if you have a bunch of gods and they're representative of all these different principles like justice and victory and you know Athena and the uh you have all these different options of things to follow of of something to look up to and imitate
That's why I think some of this stuff should be present today there's people because you're people are gonna be religious no matter what you're gonna you're never gonna you're never gonna eradicate people who believe in God so why not bring people back to these other options that are available to them so it's not just should I be a Muslim should I be a Christian or should I be an atheist that's what wrestling you're trying to do here right this is what we're trying to do with this idea
Of becoming these chaos witches right this idea is that we're taking we're looking to these ancient cultures and we're taking what works we're trying it we're using a scientific experiential approach what works for us we take forward and what doesn't we abandon you know and we're we're using our logic and we're approaching this as scientists and magicians at the same time and I encourage everyone to do the same thing reason Age of Reason you know it wasn't like Ammon was telling me all this crazy stuff but until they went and read the book of Cain I wasn't sold you know but then you
Know you go on a trip around the universe you'll get sold it's it's amazing it's amazing that you can be right there right in the Nexus and see everything that's going on around you but I have no have no sense of it right and for some reason those substances those natural substances are able to pull the person out so that they can finally see what's right in front of them and they can I think it's akin to like perspective so I was reading about in the Renaissance
Where people didn't know how to how to draw perspective then all of a sudden someone did and everyone just caught on all of a sudden they all saw it and everyone's mind just changed but that was like what it was for me because like after I went through this I go back and I'd read this poetry I loved and all of a sudden it was speaking to me in a different way and there were images that I didn't even notice that are there and it's like how did this not how is this not apparent how did I not see this it's
Staring me right in the face you know one of my students was I'll stop one of my students was telling me today um about the sacrifice right is there a sacrifice that is can um that can be performed directly but with distance
Right you in order to fire up the necromantic right he was talking about going into the underworld right and that passage doing the same thing Jesus did right welcome Jesus was a druggie right now doing the very same thing Jesus was doing entering into that state it required a sacrifice did the did the guy have did elpinor have to fall off the building and break his neck for us to be able to get to this point so the question is The Logical question following on that is okay how do we
Activate that right how do we work that within the mystery right and then all of a sudden you start thinking oh my God these strange things that they're talking about about transferring life between planes right transferring life
Between planes when I started reading that stuff I was like what are these Greeks I can't first of all I can't even keep up with it mentally right I can barely just hang in there I swear guys our brains have deteriorated bro we no over the last over the last couple hundred thousand our brains have lost something you know they have it it's also because of a lot of this dogmatism and right like it's so frustrating because we have these mythic texts but they've been obscured through
A lack of education and a lack of learning how to understand and engage with the language because when you really understand these ancient Traditions both the Greek and the Indian do the same thing where they create these images these living images and when they talk about these myths right it's not like it's not like you're just picking up a book and reading a book this is a living being that you can have an active engaging conversation with and they understand that right like you're approaching the verse as an idol in and of itself one that can speak to you
Right like very different concept than what we perceive at all you know what's interesting how the ancient Indians and ancient Greeks sort of mirror each other and they both sort of um they both sort of rise up have similar stages in their
Like trajectory of advancements in like mythology and Science and whatever and then at the same time on the east of the Indians and on the west of the Greeks who had these Warrior cultures rise up the Chinese it was the key Dynasty or the kin kin Chin Dynasty I'm sorry q i n Dynasty they rise up exactly in the same decade as the Roman Republic Rises up and these Warrior cultures both adopt these religions Chinese are adopting Indian religions Buddhism Hinduism those type of those type of past the Romans are adopting
Greek religion you know all the ellosinian Mysteries all that stuff and they all these Warrior cultures do the same thing at the same time on these they're like mirrors happening history is like it's two different parts of the world having the same thing happening it's weird
You're muted Snappy
You read it again
Pythagoras and Buddha Buddha in mahavira these all come out at the same time what's going on right you know and you see these kind of moments across history these Global transition moments I think about one that happened to us recently you go back to the 70s the tournament the 80s everyone goes neoliberal even the Chinese there's no more communist real anything everyone just kind of has this massive flip what are these moments in history we see them happen time and time again right like you see again when you had that Crusade
Moment when the whole world just starts going to war right or like these world wars these it's it's really pop like we really need to start looking at how the Ancients perceived history as these cyclic changes you know and we you see this when you understand the the ancient orphic myths or if you look at people like avicenna like a lot of these Scholars and philosophers they get it you know and they see these things happen again and again you know what it seems like to me it seems like it's like
A 300 year period like it's been it's been about 300 years now since we had the revolutionary period not just in America but also in France the Holy Roman Empire or the Germans there's revolutions happening all across the world roughly 300 years ago and it's like every it's like Alexander the Great 300 years after that you have Augustus 300 degrees after that Constantine and it's like every 300 years some crazy Paradigm Shift happens and I'm wondering is it happening right now it's been 300 it's been it's been a good 300 years since
The last Revolution happened is it happening no way it has to be there's no way it can't be given that it happened yeah the technology the environmental collapse there's going to be big changes happening one way or another so we can either try to fill the power vacuum or we can just wait for the death cultists to uh reassert Power
And you know these were these really this is what these Apocalypse at the moments really are don't yeah if we don't if we don't take over then there won't be much of a future because the environment's collapsing so that's what it comes down to that's the best exactly and that's what I wanted to highlight we're at this apocalyptic moment and this is what they really are representative of this is a point where we have to change we have to transform and if we fail in the transformation we
Destroy ourselves Humanity will no longer be able to exist on Earth the Earth will change itself so we can't survive here and something else will replace us either that or we learn to adapt you know and that's this thing right this is the thing liquid I remember when I was first getting into a lot of this stuff I really connected with Saturn and I did a lot of deep meditation and the only thing that that deity told me was adapt or die that's that that's the one command that's
That's the truth of cold-hearted nature you know Saturn is that force that pushes you you forward that makes you reflect upon your mistakes and if you don't chain you get put in the box with him he's the he's the castrator too I love that about him he's the Caster to raise the only one that when the time came she was like who wants to castrate daddy right and he was like I'll do it and he steps up and that blood that he made made the furies the imagery of that if we understood that if we would take
Five freaking minutes to sit down and contemplate that maybe under the influence of something that nature gives us for Better Health maybe we'd be in the right place right she should have given him the fruit baby it seems agricultural because you had the Sith and the Sith is what you used to take out is to um pluck no think about it no no for sure it is what I was going to say think about it this way okay Saturn is the gardener we are the fruit what does the gardener do he
Prunes the fruit tree to make ever ripe or fruit but he eats the fruit you know right but check this out guess who rules the underworld it's Elysium is the good place right Saturn so it's like I think the object is the P be one of the good fruits do good in this life be a good person well what I see it is about believing in one thing and then just just doing what you want after that it's about being good like that's that's what that should be Central to any religion
Don't you think yeah when I see uniting The Indian in the Greek thought is this idea this monistic idea in the cyclical nature of creation right they both share in this understanding that the many becomes one oh sorry the one becomes many so that it can know itself and then when it is many it experiences suffer suffering it's separated so that desire to end that suffering causes it to become one again it causes it to unite So eventually we will evolve back into that one but once we return back to that one the problem reasserts itself because in that state of Oneness we can't know
The other we can't be you know so it's this constant Paradox that keeps the cycle ever producing what does the cycle do it grants us knowledge we cannot change and grow and understand unless there is that violence that separation this is why Saturn is the god of wisdom because he initiates us to be able to go forward to be able to reflect upon the past if there isn't that destructive force there can be no knowledge of the other there is no separation there is nothing to perceive right you need
Something to compare the good to exactly you know so he's not evil he's a force of change I get it a key uh thing here that I have found important for interpreting religions is the Ancients were aware of fractals they just didn't have that exact word for it they weren't Maybe using the mathematical formulas but they could see the fractals in nature the indiogens are showing them fractals and they understood time as this time cycle as a fractal time or the the many come out of the one through a fractal
Forms from yeah yeah and Putin is any ads goes into very very uh pretty much lays it all out in very clear terms it just doesn't have the word fractal obviously so uh how how there's repeating
Patterns at different scales and that's what the world tree is is the universal fractal that unites everything it so and everything comes out of chaos right everything comes out of that Randomness you know what's why does every culture seem to have this mysterious Black Chaos
Right so the to me that's the Oneness and then the tree comes out of that or I mean there's you got to take it for each particular myth but oh Seneca was saying that NYX the goddess of Nyx not Knight that when when NYX comes up and rules the night the underworld is coming out like the you're in the um when you're during night time you are in the Underworld it's like a weird I don't know how you play that out and like how does that work but like that's a weird thought
Though like every time night comes around the underworld is now ruling the the status the quote like you're in the Underworld now that's what Seneca was saying that she forces out she forces out the light right and that light is that Apollo right that burning Sun that oracular sun right she forces that out now it's time for the nightly rights where we summon the dead right we're not we're not here for the light we're here for the darkness yeah that's what guess who rules the heavens in Starry Night
Lucifer he's the one who he he organizes the heavens according to Ovid and a couple other people but he's also the he's the during the night time where's the light coming from that's because Lucifer is the one bearing that light he's the light bearer right the light is going to come from the moon or it's going to come from Venus these are the two brightest objects in the sky and and those are your goddesses right you know got them connected to both of those planets Diana or Artemis she's
Considered to be a moon goddess in some rights but she's also luciferia in in kalamakis's text which is the Venus you know so this is it's kind of interesting how they all these they're all like connected in like this weird cyclical it's like they're all all these gods have like roles and titles and they overlap each other and then also you know women's menstrual cycle is related to the moon so it's As Above So Below that's the Hermetic understanding of the fractals to to accomplish the Miracles
Of the one thing that's how that so they understood it in their own terminology and and then that's how they could interpret Omens and signs and stuff as well because what happens on the macro scale is going to happen on the micro scale eventually there's my question Rich what do you do with them knowing the future and being able to project the future because then all of a sudden you're into that area of magic that has to do with kind of bending time right changing time
Traveling through time um how is it that these oracles okay remember people are coming to these oracles to have them tell them the future and not with respect to minor stuff either I mean they have the oracles for health right but this is generals coming working on battles people working on laying down communities colonizing
Um questions of what do we do with this Tyrant sometimes the Oracle says he will die but at your hands right and so they go out and they kill him right why are they why are these
Sorceresses allowed to be able to express this future forward either they're totally these people were totally gullible which I don't think they are or they've somehow managed to figure out how time works I mean Pythagoras I mean somebody you know helped me on here what's the what's going on yeah well I mean astrology's got to be a big part of this for sure uh and that's also based on ideas about fractals and that connects it through time that's how they're measuring time through the movement of the planets and everything so in the Sun so
Or the apparent movement of the Sun so how did but we can't we can't downplay the fact that the whole idea of the prophet the whole idea of the Oracle is that they can accurately see the future
Something that is really interesting I've been reading about is um there's this phenomenon of precognitive dreams and this is something that's been extraordinarily well documented across history and a lot of these scientists have been trying to look into them and try to track that phenomenon and they have found to us very small effect that some people have been able to perceive into the future you know and this is a this is a burgeoning Avenue of parapsychology so
It could be through the dreams right that's got to be a part of the Psychedelic Renaissance it's got to be because the Visions are there right the connection of the visions and the drugs are there is there some kind of technology that because it's Quantum we don't understand when they told me in in 2015 that three detectors on the planet picked up a space-time Distortion from a supernova star I didn't I was like what's a space-time Distortion do right
It's going to hit the Earth at a certain time and they can detect it from three different detectors right uh what's that that's real science that's not it is you know it's magic because you're bending time somehow you're causing something to change in the space-time fabric that's as much as I understand of it well um
The Western equivalent of yoga the closest equivalent is beerjee and the whole idea was that humans are you know you're not born totally objective or rational it's a skill you have to learn and you have to purify yourself you have to overcome your ego and your
Your your passions and so that's what's weighing you down to the lower astral Realms where the uh daemons kind of are less honest sometimes you have to to get to the higher astral Realms you have to purify yourself so that you can fly higher and uh that gets where more of the gods are and so
There there was a whole number of processes that they used to overcome bias and uh to to have different kinds like a person who's gone through that purification will have a different kind of psychedelic trip than a murderer or you know somebody who's really egotistical and enlightened or feeling really guilty that's how you avoid the bad trips right so they prepared initiates by making
Them deal with their their [\\h__\\h] as much as possible before initiation and on and went and they mastered how to how to bring Consciousness to its Highest Potential human consciousness so that they could then correctly interpret the visions of the future and and become romantic prophets and and all of that it wasn't just it wasn't just a matter of getting high they had to actually uh prepare themselves and be educated in a variety of things right they had jobs right they had jobs that they had to do
Somebody had to take out a hit on somebody at a distance they had to shoot that Black Arrow that you know my student was alluded to this morning we need to sacrifice somebody's gonna have to knock off Putin or something right in the Indian tradition area you do have we do have sad who's those people who abandon life and become Force dwellers like Shiva but most people who would engage in the Tantra in the in the yoga rights would do so at the end of their
Life after their Partners had died and their kids had left the home and then they would take on this role of the forest dweller and they would give up all responsibility and they would go off to just practice the the mystery rights you know so usually like the Ancients had all of these ways in which to guide people like it wasn't just people doing this willy-nilly you had to be initiated into these groups and you had to learn a process right like Pythagoras is running a school you know it's not enough to just get the mystery right he's also
Teaching you science and everything he's not just telling you not to eat the beans you know right and so the images like you know there's that expression a picture's worth a thousand World words and so a theorgic image is is worth even more than that because the symbolism has worked out so ideally and so specifically and but you have to learn that the meaning of it the symbol otherwise it's not going to meet if you're so that during the initiation it actually means something to you but if you just have no context for it it's not
Gonna it's not gonna work in the same way and so uh they they were mastering how to use these images to inspire people that word inspiration bring the spirit in and Achieve an amnesis and enthusiasmos
And that's how they would so they weren't just learning this stuff they were remembering it from the Divine realm and that gives me hope that we can reconstruct some of this through animesis and through the same way that they discovered it in the first place here here here
But yeah so we're coming up over just over two hours now so we want to start winding things down but yeah thank you guys so much for this wonderful discussion so if anyone has any questions please post them into the comments here and I just want to kind of give any everyone here a last word is there any kind of last comments we want to put on this topic of entheogens
Well I definitely want to say this is that I I think what the the I think religion could be a lot more vibrant in today's world if some of these rituals were still practice in a safe setting obviously people would be more inclined to because because that is like half of religion is the experience so today you have you go to your church and you sing a couple hymns and you know like like you're you're like Faith Like that's it it's all people have anymore where's the where's the rights at where's the real where's the where's the artistic expression and the the
Voluntary ritual aspect of religion that these ancients were doing that Drew so many people you had every every month you had a festival three three four Day Festival that everybody can go to and have an amazing time and they stop working for a few days and have a blast in honor of these Gods every month every month it was bonadia it was the lupercalia it was the whatever every month was something different and so what I'm saying is that I I just it it blows my mind that even in this day and age post Enlightenment post
Like all the dogmatism is going away but like it seems that no one wants to bring back some of these rights that might make religion a good thing again you know I think you're really on to something because you know what I'm speaking from my personal experience and I'm sure a lot of people feel this is that in our current modern times there is this cultural lack you know there is this um we we lack purpose we we we're stuck in science provides us with all of these
Answers but it doesn't answer the questions of spirituality it doesn't allow you to engage with the unknown it doesn't take you into the deep recesses of your own mind it doesn't show you how to create the self in your own image and we need to learn all these things and you can do this on your own you know all you have to do is be willing to go internally to sit with yourself to engage with these in theogens and to read you know and to actively try if you
Practice and you try you'll you'll you'll discover something incredible right so pursuing knowledge and intellect is great as with science but it's not the same thing is it's not the same thing as wisdom and certainly and and the abrahamic religions aren't interested in either knowledge or wisdom so it's just about obedience so right we we have to they even go as far as the reason they even go as far as to redefine wisdom and so that you can think that it's wisdom but really it's just submission to God that's it that's
What that's all you gotta that's wisdom like no it's that's not wisdom what are you talking about that's slavery but um yeah I think even Kyle Ruck went as far as he tried to reproduce the ethnogen and so I think we should build off a Ruck started
Certainly he's a master of you know he's one of the best that we could ever hope for so yeah I I would like to finish my part by saying first person to enter into the orge and to be able to knock off Putin that person gets the bow of Heracles okay yes
That's a religious right that's Ishtar and Venus baby hell yeah hell yeah but yeah thank you guys so much for tuning in to the witches Symposium you know make sure that you go and you subscribe to Dr Ammon at ladybabylon66 and that you subscribe to Neil at Gnostic informant they both produce incredible content and Rich and I will be back next week with the continuation of our show a chaos which is guide to reality and Dion and I will be back with the cult Explorers so thank you guys so
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